“Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will bring justice to the nations.
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He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.
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A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
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he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
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to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
Also Isaiah says that this Messiah is a descendant of David, and obviously, therefore, not an Arab.
Takeiteasynow wrote:No actually it is exceptionally strong:) But then it is a matter of view. You obviously reason from a theological background where our research takes the theological state at the beginning of the seventh century as a snapshot that may help explaining what happened.
So what comes afterwards is not that really interesting as theological definitions develop over time - for instance 7th century Judaism was very different to that of today. This snapshot helps understanding how people were triggered.
If Mohammed was the expected Messiah, the Quran would have named him as such,but Jesus is given the title, and all Muslims follow the example of Mohammed not Jesus.
If you want to use the Bible as a reference, then you must accept the Bibles criterion for recognising a false prophet, of which Mohammed meets.
He was not Jewish, he spoke in the name of a different god, and he came with a different message.
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Ata bin Yasar reported:
I met Abdullah bin `Amr bin al-`Aas and asked him, "Tell me about the description of the Messenger of Allah which is mentioned in the Torah." He replied, 'Yes. By Allah, he is mentioned in the Torah with his qualities found in the Qur'an as follows, 'O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness, and a giver of glad tidings, And a warner, and guardian of the illiterates. You are My slave and My Messenger. I have named you 'al-Mutawakkil' (meaning 'Allah's dependent'). You are neither discourteous, harsh, nor a noise-maker in the markets; You do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with forgiveness and kindness. Allah will not let him die till he makes upright the crooked people by making them say: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, with which will be opened blind eyes, deaf ears and enveloped hearts."
I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
Few Jews contemporary to Mohammed accepted his claims, many even laughed at him.
Whether a candidate matches the predictions or qualifications of Isaiah is a matter of theological interpretation.
That being said I consider the Islamic Muhammad as a literal version of a Jewish leader that restored the Temple Mount tradition, the prototype for Islamic profiling of this leader. After this death he became a prophet and it was only under the Abbasids that he got an exclusive Arab signature.
Actually the claims of the real 'Muhammad' were widely accepted in the Jewish communities and diaspora; from Cyprus to Persia. So then who is the real Muhammad?
Takeiteasynow wrote:If Mohammed was the expected Messiah, the Quran would have named him as such,but Jesus is given the title, and all Muslims follow the example of Mohammed not Jesus.
If you want to use the Bible as a reference, then you must accept the Bibles criterion for recognising a false prophet, of which Mohammed meets.
He was not Jewish, he spoke in the name of a different god, and he came with a different message.
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That's preciously what I mean. Mr Sam's video interpreters Isaiah form an Islamic view that developed over centuries, as even Islamic scholars admit. This view is attacked with the Christian interpretation of Isaiah where I take the main Jewish interpretation as it was at the beginning of the seventh century. Let's not forget that Isaiah is a Jewish source. Not Christian nor Islamic.
Whether a candidate matches the predictions or qualifications of Isaiah is a matter of theological interpretation.
glitch wrote:Whether a candidate matches the predictions or qualifications of Isaiah is a matter of theological interpretation.
Don't you love that muslims want to show us all the things that connect, but if somethingdoesn't its open to interpretation.
You claim that Islamic Muhammad was a Jewish leader, born in Galilee, son of Julius. You make them more stupid, id*ot, moron...Takeiteasynow wrote:Haha - I couldn't care less if Muhammad is a false prophet or not. I just pointed out that Isaiah is a Jewish source and part of Jewish eschatology. That way you can understand what happened in the seventh century - as eschatology, triggered by epidemics, endless wars, forced migrations and a real climate change was the forcs behind the radical changes in this century - and identify the leader who become known as the blessed one M'hmmd.
The prototype for the Islamic Muhammad was a Jewish leader, born in the Galilee, son of Julius – a very rich textile merchant, buried nearby Haifa, who restored the Temple mount tradition, governed the Jewish territories of Galilee, Tiberias and Nazareth, conquered Jerusalem in 614 with Nehemia Ben Hushiel, commanded an enormous army of Jewish fighters from Syria, Persia, Tiberias and Galilee after 619, reconquered Jerusalem with Byzantine emperor Heraclius in 630 and, after the break with Byzantium, once again in 633 to govern until 655.
That's all for now folks!
manfred wrote:SAM!! Stop that.
You claim that Islamic Muhammad was a Jewish leader, born in Galilee, son of Julius. You make them more stupid, id*ot, moron...
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