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Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:58 pm
by sum
Hello any muslim

Can you please tell me why Muhammad squatted down rather than stand up to have a pee?

sum

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:11 pm
by Fernando
sum wrote:Hello any muslim

Can you please tell me why Muhammad squatted down rather than stand up to have a pee?

sum
I'll keep my suggestions to myself until Muslims have had a chance to explain. :sml:

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:22 pm
by sum
It is not haraam for a man to urinate standing up, but it is Sunnah for him to urinate sitting down, because -

‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “Whoever tells you that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to urinate standing up, do not believe him. He only ever used to urinate sitting down.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, al-Tahaarah, 12;

It was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 11). And because this is more concealing, and it reduces the risk of any drops of urine splashing up onto him.

Muhammad did not mind semen splashing onto his clothes but objected to urine.

It was narrated from ‘Umar, Ibn ‘Umar and Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with them) that it is allowed to urinate standing up on the condition that there is no risk of drops of urine splashing onto one’s body or clothes, and that one does not expose one's ‘awrah, because al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated from Hudhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to a garden belonging to some people, and urinated standing up.

Is it now Sunnah to pee while standing up in someone`s garden you happen to come across?

When you go to the restroom, take three stones with you to clean yourself. That will suffice.” (Abu Dawud)

I presume that this refers to bowel movements but does it apply today? What happens to the stones when you have cleaned yourself?

“The Prophet [while traveling] approached a garbage dump and stood while urinating. Then, he called me to bring some water for him, so I did, and he performed wuḍu’. “(Al-Bukhari)

http://ahadith.co.uk/chapter.php?page=5&cid=147

sum

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:24 am
by Fernando
sum wrote:I presume that this refers to bowel movements but does it apply today? What happens to the stones when you have cleaned yourself?
Simple: the jinn lick them clean ready for the next person. They love dung, according to the "prophet".

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 6:51 pm
by Ibn Rushd
In the book, "After Hardship Cometh Ease" (book about the intersection of legal development in early Islam, and how it's related to Judaism and the Talmud), there was a large discussion on just this issue. The Muslims claimed that the sit to pee is due to a Jewish law that states you should cut off any body part that got splashback. This has never been part of JEwish law at any point, so we think it was made up to fit some story to explain how "we do the opposite of Jews".

If you can find this book used (it's a fortune new!!!!) or through your interlibrary system, then it's a great read.

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:31 am
by manfred
Just speculating... so we have reports that old Mo went for a pee rather like a woman would, and we also read he his "revelations" only came to him if he wore Aisha's clothing....

Andy connection, at all?

Re: Why did Muhammad not stand up to have a pee?

PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 12:36 pm
by sum
If one is "caught short" and is desperate for a pee, it seems that is OK to stand and pee in someone`s garden, as Muhammad set the example. Bearing in mind the direction in which one has to face when peeing what does one do if facing the correct direction will expose one`s "aurah" to the residents of the house? One can`t "phone a friend" and so one has to make an instant decision otherwise one pees on one`s clothing which is anathema to Muhammad.

Muhammad was eccentric at best.

sum