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Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:25 pm
by Val
How honest are you with your kids? Maybe the better question should be "How honest should you be with kids about evil?" Today's generation of super soft, conflict-averse parents appears likely to result in young people who simply do not have accurate information upon which to form opinions of their own. How bad is it for a child to grow up knowing that conflict is sometimes unavoidable? Would they cry? Is it too scary to tell kids that 1 in 6 people in the world are in a religion that teaches them to cut off the heads of anyone who rejects their insane false religion?

I favor starting at an early age explaining the type of conflict found in sports. There's winners and there's losers but no real violence. At some point you go into further detail about "bigger" conflicts and begin to introduce the concept of fraud, perpetrators, and fraud victims - it's a simple jump from the concept of cheating in sports. Help kids understand that some people will do anything, including comitting murder, rape, and robbery to get what they want. These are all steps towards eventually explaining evil and it's most celebrated perveyors - people like Muhammad, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin who were all guilty of mass murder and genocide. Of course there is the question of "degrees of evil" wherin it's important to explain that Muhammad, even though he is dead and burning in the 7th level of Hell, he was unquestionably responsible for more deaths than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot combined.

I think kids deserve to know who was the most evil person who ever lived according to the body count. Give them the historically calculated and documented numbers:

Muhammad: 270 Million deaths
Hitler: 60 Million deaths
Stalin: 60-80 million deaths
Mao: Over 100 million deaths

Can we just be honest with the kids on this one?

Val

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:00 am
by manfred
This is one of the crazy things we find in our days. If, as a teacher, you discuss Mohammed as anything other than as the Islamic fictional person whose main characteristic being kind to widows and orphans, and to taken people "back to the original religion of all mankind", then you are a bigot, an "islamophobe", and a racist. A school teacher who even mentions Aisha would very likely be dismissed in disgrace. Even mentioning that Islam has been spread by the sword will result in disciplinary actions. Of all religions only Islam cannot be truthfully and openly discussed in schools.

Political "correctness" has allowed the kind of censorship of history that insists that schools and universities must be "nurturing, comfortable and safe" places. Real education in any subject is quite the opposite as it challenges assumptions and makes you rethink ideas. It is anything but cosy. In fact education can occasionally be frightening.

So we all have a dilemma. Mohammed and Islam SHOULD be explained to and discussed with children. They have a right to be properly educated. If we allow a willing conquest of Islam in the West our children will not thank us. When they realise what Islam is all about and remember what we told them, they will hate us if we lied to them.

It is our duty to ignore the Muslim lobby and make public what people need to know, adults and children alike. You cannot simply stay silent. It is supporting the false image many Muslims paint on Islam and Mohammed.

Muslims themselves are generally unaware of many things about Mohammed or have, like SAM, a sanitised image of Mohammed, deliberately ignoring all uncomfortable facts.

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:16 pm
by sum
How would one describe Hitler? Would you limit yourself to saying that he liked children, dogs and art? This would give a totally false image of a man who was one of the monsters of history. Do you tell the full story? There would be very little opposition to this in contrast to what would happen if the true picture of Muhammad was taught to children.

At best, muslims would not allow their children to be taught the true nature of Muhammad and at worst there would be riots and massive civil unrest. I would predict that this would be the start of civil war. It should be taught but as the UK is already bowing to Sharia it will not go ahead. Our politicians are more frightened of Islam that Islam is of the UK.

Regarding Islam our politicians are frightened of Islam and out of their depth in knowing how to address the reality of Islam.

sum

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:51 am
by Garudaman
sure, when deceiving considered honest.

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:39 am
by Val
Lying to children about Muhammad's behavior should be a crime. If it was a crime then the mainstream media would be guilty. Watching pure young hearts descecrated by lies is such a shame. Indoctrination with lies has become the primary objective for educators. They will not even begin to speak the truth. I advocate immediate firing of educators who indoctrinate with lies.

Today I'm more concerned with how parents are answering kids' questions at home. Dhimmitude is rampant with western parents. The enlightened answer is to confront evil directly and consistently. Yes, it causes stress and conflict. How weak minded are kids these days? Answer: no more so than any other generation......until the indoctrination takes hold.

I have been amazed at kids ability to very bravely embrace truth and throw it in the face of the deluded. Something about the purity of young minds is refreshing. They have no fear when they know they have truth. May we please not seek the destruction of bravery in truth? I think kids are actually more objective than adults - so incredibly quick to point out lies and injustice when they have truth.

Val

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:59 am
by Garudaman
yeah, teaches prophet behavior contradict to his holy book/scripture surely is deception.

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:39 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Your quote -
sure, when deceiving considered honest.

Where is the deceiving and who is deceiving?

Your quote -
yeah, teaches prophet behavior contradict to his holy book/scripture surely is deception.

Muhammad`s words and deeds did not contradict the Koran. Show us where that is the case.

sum

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:58 pm
by sum
Hello Garudaman

Will you please stop running away from threads where you are involved but choose to avoid difficult questions.

sum

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:58 am
by Garudaman
sum wrote:Hello Garudaman

Muhammad`s words and deeds did not contradict the Koran. Show us where that is the case.

sum

TS said Prophet Muhammad kill people as Hitler kill people, kill without right reason, the Quran forbid it in QS. 4:88-92, QS. 4:75, QS. 2:190-194, QS. 22:39.

& you dont have any difficult question at all, unless the question is already answered, but you repeated continuously.

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:58 pm
by manfred

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:44 pm
by panis
sum wrote:
Muhammad`s words and deeds did not contradict the Koran. Show us where that is the case.

sum

Hello sum
3 examples :
- The Koran still does not prohibit the meat of the domestic donkey and it was halal until 628 (Khaybar). Muhammad has forbidden it since 628
- The most horrible thing: The Quran requires a period of 'Idda (viduity) of 4 months, but Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Saffya without respecting this time (and after his soldiers killed her husband and her father)
- The Qur'an authorizes 4 women, but Muhammad has prevented Ali from taking a second wife

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:15 pm
by manfred
It seems that Allah often liked to make exceptions for Mohammed....
I think what sum means is that the message of the Qur'an about non-Muslims and the way Mohammed acted are not contradictory. In other areas... as you say, there are quite a few things, specially in sexual matters.

The donkey thing, that really is quite odd... Apparently Muslim can eat a "wild" donkey, but not a domesticated one. They can also eat horses. Mules, no idea.

There is no rhyme and reason in that at all.

What about a donkey who was born on a farm but ran away? How long until he is "wild"? And what about the offspring of such a donkey, are they "wild" or not?

I think the order about the donkeys after the Khyber incident was that the donkeys were needed to carry off the loot. And Allah over-zealously forbade the eating of donkeys for evermore, to make sure that Mohammed never has any trouble carrying off what he has stolen.

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:31 pm
by panis
manfred wrote: Apparently Muslim can eat a "wild" donkey, but not a domesticated one. They can also eat horses. Mules, no idea.


Yes only domesticated donkey is haram.
He didn't explain why because on the day he decided he was angry, he knocked down the pots where the meat was cooked

Re: Explaining Muhammad to Children

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:48 pm
by Fernando
It seems wild donkeys are an endangered species. Maybe for that reason?