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Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:03 am
by eliasjohned
I have met a man at a crucial time who I am fairly certain is the resurrected Mohammed.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:42 am
by manfred
OK... checklist....

Does he have shocking body odour which he tries to hide with perfume? Does he have really bad breath and bad teeth?

Does he like sex with little kids?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:06 am
by M85
Good questions Manfred. I would think however, that the body order would be much, much worse now than during his original life span - 1400 years of decay would make an ugly resurrection, unless of course "reincarnated" was meant.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:07 am
by Fernando
M85 wrote:Good questions Manfred. I would think however, that the body order would be much, much worse now than during his original life span - 1400 years of decay would make an ugly resurrection, unless of course "reincarnated" was meant.
Difficult to say. Muslims deny that Mohammed is divine, yet worship him so and no single thought may be levied against him: so he's probably immortal. Add to that his reputation of having had sex in a grave with a recently dead body and it sounds as though he's spent the last 1400 years grave-hopping. So I vote for resurrected.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:21 am
by pr126
Cult of personality usually dies with the person revered.
The adoration of Muhammad by Muslim is nothing less than idolatry. Add to that the Kaaba and the black stone.

Apart from the Quran, (with the added Biblical plagiarism), there is nothing much new from the original pagan Arab beliefs.



Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:53 pm
by manfred
Cult of personality usually dies with the person revered.


This is true whenever the ideology/value system/teachings of that person also "die", but not otherwise.

Lenin was revered long after his death (by some to this day). Kim Il Sung to this day is "president" of North Korea, notwithstanding his death in 1994.

Whenever there are people who have built their claim to power and status on the legacy of man who was an object of veneration then the personality cult itself is kept alive to cement the successor's position.

Mohammed needed to become the "mercy for mankind" and idealised human, because it was on Mohammed the power of his successors was built. No blemish was allowed to remain, for any such thing would undermine Muslims' claim to supremacy over all others and de-legitimise Islamic rulers and clerics.

When Islam collapses Mohammed will be left as he really was, a miserable, small-minded, vindictive and cruel man with many traits suggesting mental illness.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:07 pm
by sum
Ali Sina once wrote that the whole of Islam rests on the shoulders of one man - Muhammad. Should Muhammad be shown to be a false prophet then the whole of Islam collapses. This is one reason why Muhammad is "protected" at all costs.

sum

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:20 pm
by eliasjohned
He hasn't shown signs of being what is implied in such questions, neither as victim nor offender.

manfred wrote:OK... checklist....

Does he have shocking body odour which he tries to hide with perfume? Does he have really bad breath and bad teeth?

Does he like sex with little kids?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:50 pm
by manfred
He hasn't shown signs of being what is implied in such questions, neither as victim nor offender.


To the contrary, Muslim historical sources suggest all these things. (and quite a few more...)

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:52 pm
by M85
eliasjohned wrote:I have met a man at a crucial time who I am fairly certain is the resurrected Mohammed.

Hi there, and welcome to the forum. This is very interesting and curious. In all seriousness, I would be interested in hearing more details as to why you think this man is the resurrected Mohammad, such as: does he consider himself to be a religious leader? do others consider him as one?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:53 am
by eliasjohned
M85 wrote:Hi there, and welcome to the forum. This is very interesting and curious. In all seriousness, I would be interested in hearing more details as to why you think this man is the resurrected Mohammad, such as: does he consider himself to be a religious leader? do others consider him as one?


Hello, pleased to meet you.

Basically, it has to do with many experiences during the last 60+ years.

But most specifically, this man, when I met him, was exhibiting an ecstatic episode of which I was given an inkling many years before he was even born.

When I had that initial inkling, I was told that Mohammed is that way, to quote, "he's that way".

The difference between my initial inkling and meeting Mohammed that way was approximately 44 years, but my estimate is that the resurrected Mohammed is now in his mid twenties to mid thirties.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:56 am
by eliasjohned
manfred wrote:
He hasn't shown signs of being what is implied in such questions, neither as victim nor offender.


To the contrary, Muslim historical sources suggest all these things. (and quite a few more...)


Yeah, there is the saying, "when the cats away, the mice will play".

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:36 am
by manfred
If Mohammed really were resurrected, I wonder what "brand" of Islam he would recognise as "his"?

I think ISIS and the likes match most closely his views and teachings.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:43 pm
by Fernando
eliasjohned wrote:But most specifically, this man, when I met him, was exhibiting an ecstatic episode of which I was given an inkling many years before he was even born.

When I had that initial inkling, I was told that Mohammed is that way, to quote, "he's that way".

The difference between my initial inkling and meeting Mohammed that way was approximately 44 years, but my estimate is that the resurrected Mohammed is now in his mid twenties to mid thirties.
Is he in jail yet?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:23 am
by eliasjohned
Fernando wrote:Is he in jail yet?

Should he be ?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:13 am
by piscohot
eliasjohned wrote:I have met a man at a crucial time who I am fairly certain is the resurrected Mohammed.


How did you know he is Mohammad?
The nine year old girl standing beside him told you that she is his wife?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:57 am
by Fernando
eliasjohned wrote:
Fernando wrote:Is he in jail yet?


Should he be ?
Well, I'm sure the original Mohammed would be, if he were around today doing some of his deeds. Anjem Choudary only recommends them, and he's in jail.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:49 pm
by eliasjohned
Fernando wrote:
eliasjohned wrote:
Fernando wrote:Is he in jail yet?
Should he be ?
Well, I'm sure the original Mohammed would be, if he were around today doing some of his deeds. Anjem Choudary only recommends them, and he's in jail.

An angel appeared to Mohammed and said, "Recite".

No crime in that.

But then the greedy tried to make a big business of it : there's the crime.

Being told to recite so as to correct the error of the oral recitation of the filioque is not crime.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:32 pm
by pr126
An angel appeared to Mohammed and said, "Recite".

No crime in that.

But then the greedy tried to make a big business of it : there's the crime.

Being told to recite so as to correct the error of the oral recitation of the filioque is not crime.


We only have his word that saw an angel. Was it an angel?
Or was it a hallucination due to frontal lobe epilepsy?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:45 pm
by Fernando
pr126 wrote:
An angel appeared to Mohammed and said, "Recite".

No crime in that.

But then the greedy tried to make a big business of it : there's the crime.

Being told to recite so as to correct the error of the oral recitation of the filioque is not crime.


We only have his word that saw an angel. Was it an angel?
Or was it a hallucination due to frontal lobe epilepsy?
I've a feeling that we might only have a hadith writer's word that it was in fact only Mo's wife's conclusion that it was an angel, but I might be wrong.

As for the filoque, wouldn't that be an ecumenical matter?