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Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:55 am
by eliasjohned
manfred wrote:why would he not speak for himself?

he already has, but given the manifestations of your violence with such great propensity in my locale, it is best that he be kept from the likes of such activity, at least until the final deadline for the Three Days of Darkness passes.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:15 pm
by glitch
eliasjohned wrote:
manfred wrote:why would he not speak for himself?

he already has, but given the manifestations of your violence with such great propensity in my locale, it is best that he be kept from the likes of such activity, at least until the final deadline for the Three Days of Darkness passes.


Bull. There's nothing written period tha tMuhammad returns, much less in a new body, as a different person.

Jesus didn't even come back in a new body.

Muhammad performed no miracles, as the Koran says, and thus he was NO Prophet.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:52 pm
by Fernando
glitch wrote:Muhammad performed no miracles, as the Koran says, and thus he was NO Prophet.
What about the alleged spitting of the moon? Some Muslims claim that NASA has found evidence of it!!! I suppose that's from the hadiths? Does the Koran counter that claim?

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:15 am
by manfred
SPLITTING THE MOON???? :lotpot:

Well, just possibly, he was mooning once ore twice...

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:58 am
by glitch
The koran states Muhhammed performed no miracles.

Re: Mohammed resurrected

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:56 am
by Fernando
glitch wrote:The koran states Muhhammed performed no miracles.
I believe that the Koran states that there should be no hadiths, either, but that doesn't seem to have stopped any but the tiny Koran-only brigade.
As for splitting the moon, however, the claim seems to be rooted in the Koran.
The Qur'an and Islamic tradition

Verses 54:1-2 of the Quran reads:

اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic.

Early traditions and stories explain this verse as a miracle performed by Muhammad, following requests of some members of the Quraysh.[8][9] Most Muslim commentators accept the authenticity of those traditions[clarification needed]. The following verse 54:2, "But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, 'This is (but) transient magic'" is taken in the support of this view.[9] The classical commentator Ibn Kathir provides a list of the early traditions mentioning the incident: A tradition transmitted on the authority of Anas bin Malik states that Muhammad split the moon after the pagan Meccans asked for a miracle. Another tradition from Malik transmitted through other chains of narrations, mentions that the mount Nur was visible between the two parts of the moon (Mount Nur is located in Hijaz. Muslims believe that Muhammad received his first revelations from God in a cave on this mountain, Cave Hira'). A tradition narrated on the authority of Jubayr ibn Mut'im with a single chain of transmission says that the two parts of the moon stood on two mountains. This tradition further states that the Meccan responded by saying "Muhammad has taken us by his magic... If he was able to take us by magic, he will not be able to do so with all people." Traditions transmitted on the authority of Ibn Abbas briefly mention the incident and do not provide much details.[2] Traditions transmitted on the authority of Abdullah bin Masud describe the incident as follows:[2][10]

We were along with God's Messenger at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. God's Messenger said to us: Bear witness to this 039:6725

The narrative was used by some later Muslims to convince others of the prophethood of Muhammad. Annemarie Schimmel for example quotes the following from Muslim scholar Qadi Iyad who worked in the 12th century:[6]

It has not been said of any people on the earth that the moon was observed that night such that it could be stated that it was not split. Even if this had been reported from many different places, so that one would have to exclude the possibility that all agreed upon a lie, yet, we would not accept this as proof to the contrary, for the moon is not seen in the same way by different people... An eclipse is visible in one country but not in the other one; in one place it is total, in the other one only partial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_of_the_moon
Of course, since the Koran was written by Humpty Dumpty, it can mean whatever Humpty's followers want it to mean.