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did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:06 pm
by Centaur
did Mohammad think he was mad? or was he afraid of people taking him as a lunatic?

Koran 81:22
And your companion is not [at all] mad.

Koran 25:8
Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?" And the wrongdoers say, "You follow not but a man affected by magic."

Koran 34:46
Say, "I only advise you of one [thing] - that you stand for Allah , [seeking truth] in pairs and individually, and then give thought." There is not in your companion any madness. He is only a warner to you before a severe punishment.

Koran 7:184
Then do they not give thought? There is in their companion [Muhammad] no madness. He is not but a clear warner.

why so many times?

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:36 pm
by manfred
The Qur'an itself tells us quite a bit about how is contemporaries saw him.
By people who knew him he is variously described as

A liar.
A forger and plagiarizer.
A sorcerer and a magician.
A soothsayer and poet.
A madman, perhaps as a result of being possessed by jinn, i.e. demon-possessed.


and of course Allah vigorously comes to his defence, thereby leaving a clear trace of all this. However, Mohammed was not always so convinced that all these accusations were wrong...


As to the "madness", this an interesting thing.... He did think of himself as mad for a time, and he even contemplated suicide because of that...:

Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah" from Guillaume's translation, "The Life of Muhammad", page 106:

"So I [Muhammad] read it, and he [Gabriel] departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying "O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel."



As to "Gabriel" suddenly appearing at the last minute, well, we have a more down to earth account of how things actually turned out:

The History of Tabari [1151], translated by W. Montgomery Watt, vol. 6, p. 72:

“When I came to Khadijah, I sat down with my thigh next to hers, and she said to me, “Abu al-Qasim, where have you been? I sent messengers to look for you all the way to Mecca and back.” I said to her, “I am either a poet or a madman,” but she answered, “May God save you from that, Abu al-Qasim! God would not do that to you, considering what I know of your truthfulness, your great trustworthiness, your good character, and your good treatment of your kinfolk. It is not that, cousin. Perhaps you did see something.” “Yes,” I said, and then told her what I had seen. “Rejoice, cousin, and stand firm,” she said. “By Him is whose hand is Khadijah’s soul, I hope that you may be the prophet of this community.”


According to this account, if was his first wife, Khadijah, a shrewd business woman, who seem to have placed the "prophet" idea into the head of a confused, damaged mind, Mohammed's head. Why? She wanted Mohammed to gain control over the Kaaba, and the income associated with it. Well, he did in the end, but she did not live to see her plan fulfilled.

So we could say that the real founder of Islam was in fact not Mohammed but Khadijah.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:43 am
by Centaur
Mohammed was a just happened to be at the right time at the right place in history(in a negative way) , a Genghis Khan with a religious twist.with the added incentives of religion, war booty and women he manipulated a group nomadic barbarians to take over the world for him and his alter ego Allah.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:55 am
by Eagle
So this experienced and intelligent person Khadija decided to leave behind her business and reputation, thinking that one day she might gain control over the Kaaba through the might of this man Muhammad. Any sane person would know that her move was against all political and economical wisdom, when she decided to fully support him and reliquish her prestigious status and succesful commerce, even following him into the ravine in which the early band of Muslims were forced to hide from the persecutions and all her business and financial resources eventually tarried away...

As to the usual calumnies against a prophet of God by those that reject him, well that isnt anything new 51:52-56"..no apostle came to the Peoples before them, but they said (of him) in like manner, "A sorcerer, or one possessed" Is this the legacy they have transmitted, one to another? Nay, they are themselves a people transgressing beyond bounds. So turn away from them: not thine is the blame. But teach (thy Message) for teaching benefits the Believers. I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me".

The objections levelled against the prophet Muhammad were the same as those thrown at his predecessor, Jesus by his people and family, claiming he had lost his mind, was a sorcerer helped by demons and evil spirits or a madman demon possessed Jn7:5,20,Jn8:52,Mk3:21,Matt12:22-29.

It is also interesting to note how these charges essentially contradict one another and only show the confusion of the prophet's accusers and lack of conviction in their own calumnies. For example how can devils come to teach God-worship, piety and righteousness to the people. Likewise when they called him a liar, they also had to struggle with their former opinions of uprightness and trustworthiness they had formed about him until he began preaching what they disliked 41:45"and most surely they are in a disquieting doubt about it". When they accused him of fabricating it, they contradicted themselves on another count because they could not but admit it cannot be his word; and their calling it magic is by itself an express proof that they regard it as an extraordinary word, which cannot be of human composition even according to themselves 46:7.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:46 pm
by Centaur
no apostle in history got help from his alter ego to certify 4 times that he was not mad, but only a pedophile murderer like Mohammed ever needed it.
A lunatic sex maniac cannot call himself a prophet because people called him the same.calling evil, the same is not a standard for acquiring prophet hood

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:22 pm
by manfred
Eagle, you seem to be missing the point. True, some contemporary of Jesus found him odd and even scary, and some religious authorities saw him as enough of a threat to arrange his execution. But that is completely irrelevant to this topic: Jesus never suggested himself he might be mad, and no divine utterances ever "came down" to defend him from such charges. So the comparison is a false one.

The problem we are talking about is that Mohammed HIMSELF saw himself at least for a time as mad, and he hated himself for that, so much so that he seriously contemplated suicide. We have a fanciful account of "Gabriel" dramatically appearing at the last moment and interfering, telling him that he is a prophet after all.

We also have a more down to earth story: His wife saw the erratic behaviour and suicidal tendencies and listened to the fantastic stories of her young and pretty useless husband. And suddenly she had a brainwave. This could be used for something. If he were to become a proper "prophet" then he could take over the Kaaba from his family and finally start brining in some money too, instead of having to be kept by his wife for the rest of his life. So it was easy to plant the idea of being special, a "prophet" into his head, messed up as it was. She even arranged a little visit to "monk" who confirmed that Mohammed was a prophet, but who, surprise surprise, died under strange circumstances very shorty after this alleged visit, so nobody could check it out.

Now, which of these two versions you want to believe, eagle? Which sounds more real, more likely? Is a clever and cunning woman something so hard for a Muslim to imagine that some divine interference and angelic life-saving is more realistic to you than a shrewd and imaginative woman, be it even somewhat on the crooked side?

So she tried to pull off a little con. And she personally had nothing to lose in trying it, as she was merely "the wife". If it all were to go wrong, she simply could claim ignorance, or even say she was deceived by Mohammed too. She could also blame the dead monk. And whatever happens in the end, she would get a less depressed husband back, at least for a time. This would be the worst case scenario. In fact, the little con turned out to be more successful than her wildest dreams, so much so that her aim, the control of the Kaaba, was merely a stepping stone to much greater things. She just did not live long enough to see it, she would have been so proud of her little scheme.

For me there is no doubt at all. It simply is as plain as day.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:57 pm
by Eagle
You're the one unable to connect the dots as usual. So if the accusations of Muhammad being a madman and liar demon possessed are indications of some truth then the same can be said of Jesus who was similarily calumnied, not only by his rejecters but by his closest entourage, his own family.

the authenticity of those reports you brought do not stand the test of close scrutiny and as to God not intervening in the defense of his calumnied messengers, you're showing again your ignorance of the Bible speaking, among other cases, of Yahweh wrathfully descending on those backbiting Moses Numb12,Ex2:21

So you havent given up the lunacy of a supposed smart business woman betting her carrier and prestige on "the erratic behaviour and suicidal tendencies" of a "useless" liar.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:06 pm
by Centaur
You're the one unable to connect the dots as usual. So if the accusations of Muhammad being a madman and liar demon possessed are indications of some truth

not indication its the truth and Mohammad's deeds testified to it
Jesus said "you will know them by their fruits"

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:41 pm
by manfred
eagle there are no dots to connect. Jesus never said he might be mad. He never tried to kill himself because of that. Mohammed did. That is what we are discussing here.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:57 pm
by manfred
the Bible speaking, among other cases, of Yahweh wrathfully descending on those backbiting Moses Numb12,Ex2:21


Moses agreed to stay with the man, who gave his daughter Zipporah to Moses in marriage. Exodus 2:21


??? This relates possibly to Numbers 12 but does not mention any kind of divine intervention. Zipporah was a Midianite, and not a Cushite. However, most commentators suggest that this "mystery woman" is indeed Zipporah, and the term "Cushite" is a derogatory, abusive term, like "Paki". Still, there are others who suggest that the woman in numbers 12 is in fact a different person.

As to the tale in Numbers, there are some very marked differences:

Did Allah defend Mohammed against charges of madness DIRECTLY to OTHER people, like YHWH dealt with an incident of pride and gossip in Moses's family?

Aaron and Miram did not see their mistaken pride and silly behaviour because of anything Moses said to them. They learned it directly though JHWH intervention.

The story has a clear moral: you make yourself important through pride, God (not Moses) will humble you.

No... Allah merely provided Mo with another little verse. Nobody else heard or saw the "coming down" of it. Only Mo. How convenient for him.

Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth. number 12:3

Was Mohammed a humble man?

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:01 pm
by Eagle
Because of course, everybody saw Paul's vision of Jesus, including those that wrote of the alleged crucifixion, or the angel telling Mary about the risen Jesus, or Jesus talking to Satan, or the angels talking to Joseph or Mary or the Holy Spirit descending upon the various prophets within the OT that spoke to Israel...and of course you saw Yahweh descending from the clouds to rescue Moses from some bickering behind his back. I also notice how you now switched your standard of evidence. So now its isnt about whether £God reacts against the calumnies directed at his prophets, but how he reacts.

So what does Jesus' family thinking he was a mad man and a liar prove?

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:12 pm
by Centaur
you are desperate Muslim and going off topic Jesus or for that matter Moses never thought they were mad.But pedophile old mo did, not once, not twice but 4 times

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:28 pm
by manfred
Why do you keep trying to change the subject? We are talking about Mohammed. The title is "did Mohammed think he was mad?"

On its own, if some people thought of him a bit mad, this would not be enough evidence to consider the idea seriously. When he gets viewed by pretty much all of the town as the local nutcase, well, then we need to look a little closer.
When he starts BEHAVING like a mad person, then things look pretty clear. Why did he want to kill himself? Because he was convinced he was mad.

So now its isnt about whether £God reacts against the calumnies directed at his prophets, but how he reacts.



I hate to break it to you, but Mohammed's "calumnies" were all of his own making. No God ever "reacted" to to any of his problems by intervening. Mohammed made of some verses he attributed to "Allah" to get out of fixes. Did his little verses convince the Meccans? No they were not as stupid as you make them out to be. What "convinced" them was Mo's reputation as a ruthless killer, and his big army behind as he entered Mecca.

Think about it logically, eagle... imagine you are God and you wanted people to accept some person as a prophet. How would you do it? Keep whispering things to the "prophet" to say? Is that a logical, sensible approach? Or find a way to convince the doubters by direct intervention WITH THEM? Would that not work better?

What did YHWH sent Pharaoh? plagues? What did the people following Moses see? A pillar of smoke by day and of fire by night. A parted sea. Food from the sky.

Not all of the OT prophets have such signs, but what convinced people to accept them was that their message made sense and fitted in with previous ideas. What was Mohammed's message? Obey me. Fight for me and give 20% of you ill gotten gains. Don't bother me. That was pretty much it. The rest is window dressing.

Whatever you believe about the stories in the OT, at least you can see the attribute a modicum of common sense to God, something Allah seems to seriously lack.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:20 pm
by Eagle
The subject isnt changed and im picking up your own arguments to show their fallacy. So Muhammad's rejecters thinking he was all sorts of things proves what, when we see that the same charges were levelled against Jesus, and by his own family? So now its the whole population that thought him to be mad, where is your proof? Puting aside the already disproven authenticity of those reports, what does desiring to kill oneself have anything to do with madness? Was Moses insane when he asked God to kill him in Numbers11, which actually is an indirect thought of suicide? So these calumnies were all fabrications by Muhammad who reported false insults on his won person? So where is your proof for Yahweh descending from the clouds to rescue Moses from the little bickering of some of his family against him? So were the 99% of Jesus' addressees ever convinced by his little miracles and wisdom, if not what does it prove in relation to his truthfulness of being a prophet of God? By your own admission most prophets werent supported by supernatural wonders and in fact your own Tanakh states that miracles are the last of all criteria one should look for when trying to ascertain the truthfulness of an alleged prophet. Those criteria were already shown elsewhere and Muhammad fits every one of them regardless of your whims

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:11 am
by manfred
It is late here and I am very tired, so this is the last bit for today...

Eagle, the question we are discussing is :"did Mohammed think he was mad?"

How does anything any contemporary of Jesus thought about Jesus affect that question?
Or Moses?

(btw. Numbers 11 does not speak of any "suicide" at all. Moses is tired of all the moans and groans. Now they want meat. Where am I supposed to get that from? He worries. God, I had enough of all this arguing. He is in a quitting mood. We are told this:

10 Moses heard the people of every family wailing at the entrance to their tents. The Lord became exceedingly angry, and Moses was troubled. 11 He asked the Lord, “Why have you brought this trouble on your servant? What have I done to displease you that you put the burden of all these people on me? 12 Did I conceive all these people? Did I give them birth? Why do you tell me to carry them in my arms, as a nurse carries an infant, to the land you promised on oath to their ancestors? 13 Where can I get meat for all these people? They keep wailing to me, ‘Give us meat to eat!’ 14 I cannot carry all these people by myself; the burden is too heavy for me. 15 If this is how you are going to treat me, please go ahead and kill me—if I have found favor in your eyes—and do not let me face my own ruin.”


Moses does not say he is committing suicide. He is exhausted and fed up and ask God to let him die. That is a big difference, now, is it? And were you NEVER really fed up?
)


In general, we conclude that someone is mentally ill if he is a danger to himself or others. Well, Mohammed was at least at some point of his life a danger to himself. For all of his later years he was a serious danger to others.

Did Mohammed think he was mad? OTHER PEOPLE in substantial numbers in Mecca thought him mad. The Qur'an is peppered with references to comments Mohammed received. It got so bad in the end that Mohammed packed his bags and left.

Mohammed BEHAVED certainly in ways that did make him no friends in Mecca, and many concluded he was some sort of fraud or he was mad.

And of course Mohammed himself thought he was mad, at least for a time.

Then we get we various hadith about his behaviour at the start of his notorious career... The cave of Hira incident, "cover me, cover me", the feverish accounts of Gabriel beating him up, his suicide attempt and his story of why he did not do it in the end, his bragging about his wives, the "satanic verses" fiasco... We even have some suggestions that he was epileptic. In fact, as you know Ali Sina made a case in his book for Mohammed suffering from a personality disorder, narcissism. If you want a short version of this argument to review, I will try to dig it out. I have not read that book for some years.

All the sources strongly suggest that this was a somewhat unstable man. Let's face it, he had a difficult childhood and ended up being no more than a kept toy boy to a wealthy business woman. Despite of his family connections he never amounted to anything, no business or achievements of his own. He merely was a "trustee", a man running business errants for others.

Well, an insane prophet produces images of an insane God. The Qur'an does just that. It is a caricature of biblical texts and messages.


Have you ever notice how Mohammed is the SOLE intermediary between Allah and the Muslims? If any other man would have stood up and said to his face "I too am a prophet. My message is different from yours.", he would be dead seconds later. The can only be one messenger, as far as Mohammed is concerned.


Well Moses had a rather different attitude... Did you notice this little comment in the same chapter?

A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”

28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses’ aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!”

29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!”



Now, I am off to bed, so we'll chat some more tomorrow.

Good night eagle. :)

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:46 am
by Eagle
When attempting to ascertain whether Jesus thought himself to be mad, finding out what his own family and people had to say of his mental instability is irrelevant, but when it comes to Muhammad it becomes a valid argument and represents a basis for truth yet these arent even objective observations (such as in Jesus' case whose family said he was mad) but the sayings of the rejecters of prophethood, the same calumnies thrown at every prophet of God in every age. So despite the miracles and wise teachings, the fact he was a true prophet, the rejection of Jesus by the massive majority of a people that hated him to the point they tried stoning him and charged him with all sorts of calumnies proves what in regards to the way he "behaved"?

So God's prophet allegedly becoming so overwhelmed with the burden of prophethood that he supposedly wanted to die is indicative of mental instability but Moses becoming overwhelmed with the burden of prophethood and its responsibilities to the point he desired death isnt. In answer to Moses' request, Yahweh decides to ease the pressure on him by giving prophethood to others in the comunity, like those 2 you quoted, so why would Moses object when this is the very thing he desired as he couldnt take the responsibility anymore? These were true prophets, chosen by God, so are you saying Muhammad rejected true prophets? What did Moses say should be done with false prophets? Putting your prejudice aside, what is your standard of evidence for comparing what would Muhammad have done in a similar situation where he would be helped to carry the burden of prophethood with others chosen by God at his own request? And which other "intermediary" between man and God does a statement like this allow "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:08 am
by Centaur
Mohammed thought he was mad and self certified 4 times he is not.
other Proven facts about Mohammed
1. pedophile
2.torturer
3.sex maniac
4. condone incest by bonking daughter in law
4. mass murderer and so on

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:22 pm
by manfred
eagle, I am not sure that your defence of Mohammed is very effective...

So, you seem to have no problems with the various accounts that suggest that Mohammed thought himself mad, and that many others who knew him agreed and that a number of behaviour patterns also suggest mental problems,partly explained by his traumatic personal history.

If fact, you dispute very little of I have presented to you, and apparently accept all of centaurs points, as you keep silent about them.

Your line simply is "other Islamic prophets were as mad as Mohammed" and you go to great length trying to show that Jesus and Moses were "mad", presumably trying to say it is sort of a requirement for Islamic prophets....


However I will certify a degree of consistency in your approach... you read bible passages with a much wishful thinking as you do the Qur'an.

Yahweh decides to ease the pressure on him by giving his role to others in the community, like those 2 you quoted


The text says nothing of the sort. Moses's task is far complete at this point, and his task or role has neither been diminished nor altered.. YHWH offers help, as he has in the past, and will do again later in the story. In doing so he reveals himself as a patient and caring God, not like Allah. YHWH knew about the "hierarchy of needs" long before any psychologist wrote about it. It is addressed right there in that text, 3000 before Maslow explained it. He who has no food, asks for food. When he gets food, he will ask for BETTER food.

Also note that the help the text speaks of is not some other prophet but some meat to stop the people from grumbling, something that Moses found wearisome. He much wanted his people to appreciate what they had been given, rather than ask for those things they have not. Note that the help YHWH gave was undeserved, but given freely. Also, note, most importantly, the help was something that each and everyone could see for him/herself, independently of Moses, something very blatantly and consistently missing in any account around Mohammed.

Can you see how this is very different from anything Mohammed ever managed to produce? True, he also ended up producing food for his people, by sending them out to raid caravans... not quite the same is it?

When we then read of the two "prophets", we find another very striking difference to Mohammed. Moses did not think of them as a threat to his position. He welcomed free expression in religion. He wanted them to be heard. To Moses his role was a burden, a duty and a service, hard and demanding, almost breaking him, but he persevered none the less. It was not a ticket to wealth, sex and power.

In fact, the more you study Moses and compare him with Mohammed, to more blatant the difference becomes. Please keep looking over the Moses in the bible.


Now, if I went to join a Muslim forum, do you think I would last more that 5 minutes before I get banned? Muslims are behaving with Mohammed just like a smoker behaves when someone tells him that smoking is bad for him. Hundreds of excuses. Shoot down the messenger. Don't even hear the message. Islam is not in the least tolerant to variant ideas.

Mohammed would never have tolerated any other "messenger" or "prophet" around him. For him , being the "messenger", the last and most important one of course, was his ticket to power. Anyone touching it or using it the same as he did would have to die, at once.

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:45 pm
by Eagle
Had you been paying attention you would have seen that the object wasnt to defend Islam and God's prophet. Your opinion on the matter is clear and unshakable so doing that would be futile. Your reports were accepted for argument's sake even though it was said that their authenticity does not stand the test of close scrutiny.
The object however goes deeper than that and the line of arguments does a very good job at dismanteling your claims from another angle, by exposing your prejudiced and biased line of thinking; the same conditions result in different conclusions depending on whether we are talking of the Ishmaelite prophet or the Israelite prophets. So, just like Jesus did to the spiritually blind to whom he refused showing any guidance, but instead exposed their disbelief further, im not guiding you but exposing you further.

And Numbers11 says exactly what i told you it says. After leading them out of Egypt despite the reluctancy of the vast majority of them that stayed behind and died with the plagues, making them witness all sorts of wonders and guiding them through the desert, they still complained to some of the better aspects of their life back in Egypt where they were in bondage. The Quran reminds them of this in 2:61 as well as Moses' deep grief and frustration towards his people 5:25,61:5.
At seeing this, Moses addresses your tetragrammaton "I cannot carry all these people by myself; the burden is too heavy for me" and the Tetragrammaton offers to share his burden of prophethood with some selected members of the community "They will help you carry the burden of the people so that you will not have to carry it alone". They were carrying the same burden as him, as he requested himself, so what freedom of religion are you speaking of? Were they going around preaching a different message than his? What did Moses say should be done with false prophets, those who would do exactly what you're praising him for allegedly tolerating, preaching a different religion?

Deut18:20
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death


In the light of the above, how safe would have Eldad and Medad been had they been preaching in the name of Zeus? You should come to the fact now, disbeliever, that i know your Bible and its meaning much better than you..

The meat the Tetragrammaton accepts giving them, is in no way a favor but a punishment, stemming out from divine frustration and disgust at their ingratitude and to even try to sugar coat such an obvious statement shows how one can be divorced from reality "Now the Lord will give you meat, and you will eat it. 19 You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it—because you have rejected the Lord". What love, psychology and care are you speaking of, disbeliever? So a spoiled child adding demands upon demands until he is finally stuffed with what he asked until it comes out of his nostrils is a good example of child psychology, care and love.

And we're on about the caravans again, among other failed attempts at discrediting the personality of God's prophet whenever the holes in your arguments are shown so that the attention is shifted away. Here is a refresher of a post still awaiting a reply viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14656&start=80#p194340

And are you sure you want to go on about Moses' prophethood not bringing him and his people "wealth, sex and power"?

Re: did mohammad think he was mad?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:45 am
by Centaur
Lets check the real life examples of Mohammed to see if he behaved like a mad man or psychopath

1. Got aroused seeing a 6yr old child and bonked her when she was 9 very sane? yeah

2. Approved adoption and adopted a son ok not that mad.

3. but wait, bans adoption so he can bonk the daughter in law, who according to a hadith was accidentally seen scantily claded by Mohammed.He got aroused as usual irrespective of her being his daughter and gone into must bonk prophetic mode. Sane?


4. tortures camel thieves by gauging out their eyes and left them to be dead in desert by dehydration.

5. tortures the Jewish chieftain by putting up a fire pit on his chest so that he would reveal the reassure. divine?

condoned rape by raping safiyah probably the same night his husband and family was murdered

Mohammed for sure acted like psycho, then got his alter ego Allah to certify he wasn't mad when he hiself or people around him doubted his mental status.