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Muhammad's Mosque

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:37 pm
by marduk
The "Mosque of the Prophet" was built by Muhammad in Medina. It started out as a small crude thing and was later added onto. It must, of course, be aligned to the Kaaba by Islamic rules. In fact, it's aligned perfectly N/S and it's axis misses the Kaaba by 13.5 miles, even missing Mecca completely. How did Allah let that happen? Did Muhammad build it before he changed the Qibla? Then why didn't Allah tell him that later he was going to change the Qibla so don't make it point N/S? And why is the Kaaba at a different angle than the mosque?



The Mosque of the Prophet was built in 622 by the Muslim community after they reached the city of Yathrib, which would later be called al-Madina al-Muanwara. The mosque was situated next to the Prophet's house, and it consisted of a square enclosure of thirty by thirty-five meters, built with palm trunks and mud walls. It was accessed through three doors, Bab Rahmah to the south, Bab Jibril to the west and Bab al-Nisa' to the east. Within this enclosure, the Prophet created a shaded area to the south called the suffrah and aligned the prayer space facing north towards Jerusalem. After the revelation of Surat al-Baqara, the qibla direction was set to the south in order to face Masjid al-Haram, or, the Ka'ba in the city of Mecca. Seven years later, the mosque was doubled in size to accommodate the increasing number of Muslims. ... e_id=10061

Problem is, the whole mosque has to align to the Kaaba, and it doesn't, even when it was remodeled after the new Qibla revelation. They should have built a completely new one facing Mecca.

If not aligned to Mecca, why does it not at least have the same orientation as the Kaaba, to Canopus, thus following Ibrihim's example? Why should ANY mosque align to Mecca when the Mosque of Muhammad himself doesn't? Aren't Muslims supposed to do as Muhammad did not as he said? Maybe the words of the Quran and hadith are corrupted. We have to look to the physical evidence, his actual mosque. Now they'll have to tear down all those mosques that face Mecca and make new ones that match the Mosque of the Prophet, else they are going against the example of the prophet.

Re: Muhammad's Mosque

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:06 pm
by marduk
One of the most notable features of the site is the Green Dome over the center of the mosque, where the tomb of Muhammad is located. It is not exactly known when the green dome was constructed but manuscripts dating to the early 12th century describe the dome. It is known as the Dome of the Prophet or the Green Dome.[1] Subsequent Islamic rulers greatly expanded and decorated it. Early Muslim leaders Abu Bakr and Umar are buried in an adjacent area in the mosque. ... ed-mosque/

Al-Uzza, who was associated with the zodiac sign of Libra, was both the goddess of beauty and war (an interesting paradox considering the fact that some of the world’s greatest military strategists were Librans) and her sacred color was green. Her day of worship was Friday.

The Arabian goddesses were primarily worshipped by a Meccan tribe known as the Quraysh, which is ironically, the same tribe that the prophet Muhammad of 1,400 years ago belonged to. This is why in Surah 62:9 of the Qu'ran he tells the believers not to do business on Friday. It was the day devoted to the goddess of material wealth. It was known that honoring her would result in success in business and commerce.

I was wondering where this Friday thing in Islam came from. Now it all makes sense. Is there anything about Islam which is NOT related to Allat or al-Uzza?

Al-Jumu'ah (Friday)

62:9 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! When the call to prayer is sounded on the day of congregation, [10] hasten to the remembrance of God, and leave all worldly commerce: this is for your own good, if you but knew it.

62:10 (Asad) And when the prayer is ended, disperse freely on earth [11] and seek to obtain [something] of God's bounty; but remember God often, so that you might attain to a happy state!

Yup, makes sense now. Never in all of Jewish scripture was Friday specified as the day of congregation, yet here the Qur'an talks about it like it's common knowledge already. Yeah, common knowledge to the pagan Arabs who prayed to al-Uzza. Muslims just blatantly follow the customs of the Quraysh triple goddess worshipers. It says leaving all commerce on Friday is "for your own good", yeah because then al-Uzza the goddess of commerce and wealth will reward you. Notice it only mentions leaving all worldly commerce, not any other activity.

On Friday evening, as Jews welcome in their Sabbath (Shabbat in Hebrew), blessings are recited over candles, wine, bread, children and more.
Blessing the Candles:
"Just as creation began with the word, 'Let there be light!' so does the celebration of creation (Sabbath) begin with the kindling of lights." (Heschel, The Sabbath, p. 66). On the eve of the Sabbath, after all work has stopped and just before sunset, Jews fulfill the commandment to light and bless candles. After the candles have been lit, many Jews attend Friday night prayer services in synagogue. ... vening.htm

The only significance of Friday in Judaism is that it's the eve of the sabbath, you know, the sabbath that Muslims don't respect or observe. They congregate and pray in the daytime on Fridays, for no known reason since the following day is of no special significance. Well, now the reason is known. Are we supposed to believe that Muhammad, whose family were the custodians of the Kaaba and its idols, was unaware that Friday was the day of al-Uzza?

Re: Muhammad's Mosque

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:31 pm
by manfred
the only significance of Friday in Judaism is that it's the eve of the sabbath

Jewish people generally see the BEGINNING of a new day in the EVENING, not the morning, as we do. That is why the sabbath starts on Friday evening, the sunset actually being the beginning of the NEXT day.

It also explains how the NT speaks of Jesus as risen on the THIRD day: He died on Friday afternoon. Sunset shortly after meant the SECOND (the sabbath) day had started. The next sunset, on Saturday evening, marked the start of the THIRD day. That is why Orthodox and Catholic churches celebrate Easter on the Saturday night following (their respective) Good Friday. It only makes sense to call that "the Third day" if we adopt the ancient Jewish idea of a day starting with sunset. In today's understanding, a day starts with sunrise, so we would say that Saturday night is the second day from Friday afternoon.

So Friday has no special religious significance to Jews at all.

On Mohammed's falling out with Christians and Jews, he next tried dazzle his own tribe with his prophetic baubles, so we get the Meccan quibla. We also get the Friday. Why not Monday/Tuesday or Wednesday? Well, you answered that clearly and completely plausibly. Along with the hand of Allah/Allat, we get the crescent moon, green, the colour of Allat, as the colour of Islam, Friday as a day of worship, the Kaaba, the hajj, the five prayers, fasting at Ramadan... Mohammed's baubles make Islam look as similar to the religion of the Quraysh as possible. It all fits together.

Re: Muhammad's Mosque

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:31 pm
by Jimi
Sure we know that Islam is loaded with pagan stuff. They get out of this by saying Islam was there first and the pagans came along and corrupted it. Of course there is no proof of this. Mecca was not even populated more than a few 100 years before mohammed. Pagans came first then Islam, in meccA.

But the truth means nothing to Muslims and mhammed (allahs prayers on all of them)