Muhammad defied the Koran.

[sum]

Muhammad was not constrained by Koranic guidance and was a law unto himself, doing exactly as he wished despite Allah`s guidance in the Koran. Muhammad did not fear Allah because Allah did not exist. Allah was Muhammad`s brainchild who allowed him to do as he wanted. There was no fear because there was no Allah. It is so obvious.

Please read the following link -

http://faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasem51209p2.htm

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[peterpin]

I think we both also found that when we discussed the stoning issue for adultery. The quran says one thing, loud and clear, Mohammed does another, Ghaith spins and spins until he is dizzy...

[EssEmmEss]

I struggle with this too. How can people believe that stoning adulterers to death is the punishment when the Quran, which is said to overrule Muhammad's rulings when they conflict, doesn't even mention stoning?

[peterpin]

Not only does the quran not mention stoning, it is quite plain:

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

quran 24:2

Flogging and stoning are both barbaric, but they are obviously different.

It seems that Allah was too lenient with those committing Zina and Mohammed had to improve the quran, introducing stoning...

[Ozes]

I struggle with this too. How can people believe that stoning adulterers to death is the punishment when the Quran, which is said to overrule Muhammad's rulings when they conflict, doesn't even mention stoning?

I recall both Aisha and Umar (caliph) claimed ayah which allowed stoning did exist but were lost.

[peterpin]

Maybe there also was another lost ayah, syaing that Mohammed was a crook...

It's bizzare to base a death sentence, carried out through torture, is "justified" by a missing text from a a supposedly perfectly preserved book.

Our resident Muslim,Ghaith,would not have the missing verse theory, he redefined zina instead, claiming that the quran talks only about unmarried people in the verse; there is no foundation for that at all. It's simply an attempt to defend Mo's defiance of the quran.

[abc123]

Muhammad was not constrained by Koranic guidance and was a law unto himself, doing exactly as he wished despite Allah`s guidance in the Koran. Muhammad did not fear Allah because Allah did not exist. Allah was Muhammad`s brainchild who allowed him to do as he wanted. There was no fear because there was no Allah. It is so obvious.

I think this statement should be taken into consideration.

O Prophet! why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee?
Thou seekest to please thy consorts? But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (66:1)

[peterpin]

O Prophet! why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee?
Thou seekest to please thy consorts? But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (66:1)

Now THAT is is good one....

I suppose you know the background of this verse?

Well, good old Mo fancied the slavegirl of one his his wives. So, when the wife was out, he bonked her. Unfortunately, he was not quite quick enough, so he got caught and his wife yelled at him.

So, Mohammed, embarrassed, promised to be a good boy from now on and not to do it again.

A couple of days later he had second thoughts... compassion and care was missing altogether in Mohammed, and in a conflict of head against penis, the penis alway won. He decided the bonk must be resumed.

So, as Aisha very aptly obseved, Allah "always hastens to meet your [Mohammed's] desire". Surprise, surprise, Allah allowed Mohammed to break his promise can carry on bonking, regardless, hence the verse you quoted.

If anything, it shows Mohammed's utter contempt for his own religion, as he shamelessly uses it to get his leg over...

Please, tell us another... hilarious...

[ringmaster]

Maybe there also was another lost ayah, syaing that Mohammed was a crook...

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Not hidden at all.

Verse 8-41 says that the prophet was a thief.

[marduk]

Only Muslim women need to be divorced for 3 months, not Jewish women they kidnapped after killing their families. Them they can marry right away. You see, there is no adultery if you have already murdered the husband. In Islam, murder of non-Muslims is not a sin like adultery is so this is how Muslim men avoid ever being guilty of adultery. They only commit it with women whose husbands they have just killed. Islam has lots of rules like that which result in a blank check for Muslim men to do whatever disgusting things they want. Rape can never be successfully prosecuted, because rapists rarely invite 4 other men to watch. Rape, killing, kidnapping and theft can never be prosecuted in Islam because there are rules allowing all of them. You can do any of that if you simply say that you are doing it in Allah's cause.

To Muslims, the 10 Commandments don't apply. Every one of them can be broken if you simply say that it's in the cause of Allah, whatever the heck that means. If you're an Arab you are free to do as you please. Muslims therefore have absolutely nothing restraining them from heinous acts and are actually encouraged to commit them. What should the rest of the human race do with people like that? They have announced that they are a deadly threat to everybody else. What do you normally do when a deadly threat is identified? Send it aid money or pay it money for oil which God intended for the entire human race (didn't say otherwise in the Quran, Torah or Gospels)? Wrong answer. What is normally done with people who claim that God wants them to kill you, kidnap and rape you're wife and sell your children as slaves? They get locked up in the loony bin for a few months and then are released to save money and then you have to shoot them when they try to kill you. That's how things work in the civilized world.

[EssEmmEss]

O Prophet! why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee?
Thou seekest to please thy consorts? But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (66:1)

Now THAT is is good one....

I suppose you know the background of this verse?

Well, good old Mo fancied the slavegirl of one his his wives. So, when the wife was out, he bonked her. Unfortunately, he was not quite quick enough, so he got caught and his wife yelled at him.

So, Mohammed, embarrassed, promised to be a good boy from now on and not to do it again.

A couple of days later he had second thoughts... compassion and care was missing altogether in Mohammed, and in a conflict of head against penis, the penis alway won. He decided the bonk must be resumed.

So, as Aisha very aptly obseved, Allah "always hastens to meet your [Mohammed's] desire". Surprise, surprise, Allah allowed Mohammed to break his promise can carry on bonking, regardless, hence the verse you quoted.

If anything, it shows Mohammed's utter contempt for his own religion, as he shamelessly uses it to get his leg over...

Please, tell us another... hilarious...

I have to know the background of this...is there a Hadith or something I can refer to?

[Ozes]

Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311

[Ozes]

I believe she said it right after the whole "marry the Daughter-in-law" debacle.

[marduk]

Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311

Funny how Cathem was the only "Prophet" in history whose sexual gratification was important to God. With everybody else God's only concern involving sex was in regard to producing lots of Jews. Then all of a sudden he's concerned about Cathem getting his jollies. How embarrassing for God. That stuff is written down in the Quran and hadith for all to see. Who knew God/Allah was such a freak? Wanna know what I call it when Arabs claim that God was creepily interested in Muhammad gettin' his freak on? I call it blasphemy. Anyone who insists that the Quran is the word of God is a blasphemer.

[ringmaster]

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Funny how Cathem was the only "Prophet" in history whose sexual gratification was important to God. ....................

The sexual gratification of Joseph Smith was apparently important to God too.

However, Mormons, as crazy as their theology may be, have not committed mass murder. I don't know much about their theology, but I have never heard of it calling for the slaying of unbelievers.