Mo's night flight

[Jimi]

I spent a little time on this and it seems that the mosque at the temple mount was not there for Allah apostle to pray in like it says in the hathid and Quran. This story seems to have been added later. Even the writing on the mosque, that is support to have been built to celebrate this flight, was not added until much later, like 1800s.

It sure seems like this story was fabricated by follows later. Why does Allah religion need this type of lie? Islam is blaphamy. All Muslims who are true to this religion should kill each other. .???

[phill01]

I spent a little time on this and it seems that the mosque at the temple mount was not there for Allah apostle to pray in like it says in the hathid and Quran. This story seems to have been added later. Even the writing on the mosque, that is support to have been built to celebrate this flight, was not added until much later, like 1800s.

It sure seems like this story was fabricated by follows later. Why does Allah religion need this type of lie? Islam is blaphamy. All Muslims who are true to this religion should kill each other. .???

Hi Jimi

Can you elaborate a bit on what you found in your research. Are you saying that Mohammad never went there or is the Hadith mentioning another place instead ??. If so, then why do you think that is the case.

Best regards

[Jimi]

There is a utube clip from ahmadsquran. But I can't find it right now. You can do it your self.

Use any Islam source and get the name of the mosque mo fly to in temple mount.

Search the name of that mosque to find what was on the site around the time mo went there to pray

It was a garbage dump. So that story was added later after mo death.

[pr126]

Night Journey

There was no mosque of any description in Jerusalem in Muhammad's time.

[ringmaster]

Night Journey

There was no mosque of any description in Jerusalem in Muhammad's time.

Muslims don't care about that. The whole world "belongs to allah".

[marduk]

Yeah doesn't matter. They use a completely unqualified outrageous claim by one Arab, and his ridiculous attempt at a fake holy book, to justify anything and everything. Islam comes in very handy that way. All they have to do is keep denying all evidence of the fraud until people get tired of going around in circles with them and they can still claim that Islam is a real religion and get lots of benefits from that because nobody wants to be seen as offending someone else's religious beliefs. They even include the most popular monotheistic god in their fake religion, the god of the Jews, to make it harder for people to criticize without also dragging the Jews and Christians' beliefs into it.

[phill01]

Ok...So we have have discovered through "history" that there was no Mosque in Jerusalem in Mohammad's time. This in iteself doesn't mean the Koran is wrong about the "Night Journey" as the Koran never mentioned the name of this "Farthest Mosque" !! which means that it is somewhere else other than Jerusalem.
So can anyone think of where this "Farthest Mosque" could be located !!.
The evidence is there in the Hadith as to it's location....So how about lets find it!!

[pr126]

Presumed to be somewhere in Syria. If at all. After all, it was only a dream. Literally.

However, since Muslims believe that the Mosque in question was / is in Jerusalem, they lay claim to Jerusalem as their holy (waqf) territory.
The argument is, that a territory once conquered by Islam, always belongs to Muslims.
But, there again, the whole world belongs to Allah, and therefore by proxy to Muslims.

[marduk]

We can positively date the true time of the writing of the "farthest mosque" verse as during, or sometime after, the 2nd Caliphate of Umar. That's when a primitive mosque was built at the current al-Aqsa site. This was early enough to get the forged verse into the Quran when it was compiled in 653 but late enough to prove conclusively that it could not have been composed by Muhammad, or Allah for that matter, because Muhammad could not have traveled to a mosque which Umar hadn't yet built.

First we should take note of the fact that Jerusalem was not in Arab hands during Muhammad's lifetime.

At the time of the Second Temple, the present site of the mosque was occupied by the Royal Stoa, a basilica running the southern wall of the enclosure.[6] The Royal Stoa was destroyed along with the Temple during the sacking of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE. Emperor Justinian built a Christian church on the site in the 530s which was consecrated to the Virgin Mary and named "Church of Our Lady." The church was later destroyed by Khosrau II, the Sassanid emperor, in the early 7th century and left in ruins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#History

In 613 and 614, Damascus and Jerusalem were besieged and captured by General Shahrbaraz (Commander of the Army of Iran under Khosrau II), and the True Cross was carried away in triumph. Soon afterwards, General Shahin marched through Anatolia, defeating the Byzantines numerous times, and then conquered Egypt in 618. The Byzantines could offer but little resistance, as they were torn apart by internal dissensions, and pressed by the Avars and Slavs, who were invading the Empire from across the Danube River.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosrau_II ... _victories

In the Siege of Jerusalem (614), after 21 days of relentless siege warfare, Jerusalem was captured. The Byzantine chronicles relate that the Sassanid army and the Jews slaughtered tens of thousands of Christians in the city, an episode which has been the subject of much debate between historians.[86] The conquered city would remain in Sassanid hands for some fifteen years until the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius reconquered it in 629

So there we saw that there was a Christian church there from the 530s to 614, and then it was under Persian control until the Byzantines recaptured it in 629, so nothing would have been there other than possibly a fire-temple between 614 and 629, during which time the Night Journey is supposed to have occurred. Needless to say, Byzantines didn't let Muslims build mosques on their territory either. They didn't even let Jews in so they damn sure wouldn't have let Muslims in, and the Byzantines controlled the Temple Mount until 638. so there is literally no chance whatsoever that Muhammad flew into Jerusalem and landed on the Temple Mount anytime between 70 and 638 AD, when the Night Journey is alleged to have taken place.

The Islamization of Jerusalem began in the first year A.H. (620 CE), when Muslims were instructed to face the city while performing their daily prostrations and, according to Muslim religious tradition, Muhammad's night journey and ascension to heaven took place. After 16 months, the direction of prayer was changed to Mecca.[90] In 638 the Islamic Caliphate extended its dominion to Jerusalem.[91] With the Arab conquest, Jews were allowed back into the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Middle_Ages

So according to Muslims, Muhammad journeyed to the farthest mosque in 620, at which time the Persians were still there. Either the verse is referring to another location than Jerusalem or it's a forgery. Let's see when the earliest time would have been for the verse to have been composed.

The al-Aqsa Mosque was originally a small prayer house built by the Rashidun caliph Umar, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Ummayad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE...

Architectural historian K. A. C. Creswell, referring to a testimony by Arculf, a Gallic monk, during his pilgrimage to Palestine in 679–82, notes the possibility that the second caliph of the Rashidun Caliphate, Umar ibn al-Khattab, erected a primitive quadrangular building for a capacity of 3,000 worshipers somewhere on the Haram ash-Sharif. However, Arculf visited Palestine during the reign of Mu'awiyah I, and it is possible that Mu'awiyah ordered the construction, not Umar. This latter claim is explicitly supported by the early Muslim scholar al-Muthahhar bin Tahir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque#History

Now we can put the pieces of the puzzle together. They come out saying "Night Journey is a fraud". Umar didn't become Caliph until 634, and Jerusalem wasn't captured by the Arabs until 638 so we can conclude with 100% confidence that the forgery was done after 638 AD. In fact, it would not surprise me if Mu'awiyah was the one who built the first mosque and was also the one who had the verse inserted into the Quran. He was powerful enough, and evil enough, to do it.

Ali's son Hasan ibn Ali signed a truce and retired to private life in Medina. Muawiyah thus established the Umayyad Caliphate, which was to be a hereditary dynasty,[2][3][4][5] and governed from Damascus in Syria instead of Medina in Arabia.

Muawiyah I is a reviled figure in Shia Islam for several reasons. Firstly, because of his involvement in the Battle of Siffin against Ali, whom the Shia Muslims believe was Muhammad's true successor (see Succession to Muhammad); secondly, for the breaking of the treaty he made with Hasan ibn Ali, after the death of Hassan ibn Ali, one of broken terms being appointing his son Yazid as his successor; thirdly, on account of his responsibility for the killing of Hasan ibn Ali by alluring his wife Ja'dah binte Ash'as to poison him; and fourthly by distorting Islam to match his unislamic rule.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] and fifthly, for the deaths of various Companions of Muhammad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%27awiyah_I

[Jimi]

Well that seem to be it. Proof that Mohammed night flight was nonsense. And it is my understanding there are other things about this that are nonsense. But the above clears it up for me.

[Fernando]

Certainly the night flight is nonsense, as it's just a superstitious construct. I suppose though one ought to ask whether some other mosque was meant to be in the story.
That is, was the story originally made up in order to lay claim to Jerusalem, or was the story's original intent taken over for political reasons? Neither, of course, reflects well on Islam and its deceitfulness.

[marduk]

Muawiyah is said to have distorted Islam for his own purposes. He is known to have wanted the Caliphate moved to Jerusalem, probably because it was near Syria where he lived. The Night Journey story would provide a pretext for that. Nobody knows for certain how the Quran in its current form came about. It appears that at least one addition was made, or the Quran was really written by someone other than Muhammad after Muawiyah built a mosque in Jerusalem.

Ghaith said that if even one real error in the Quran could be found then he would quit Islam. Well, saying that a mosque existed in Jerusalem during the Persians' occupation, in which even Jews weren't allowed in the city, is clearly an error.