All Muhammad`s deeds were condoned by Allah.

[Ghaith]

The verse is not a part of the quran but is a law as Muhammad did not want to write it down.
<snip>
Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4214:
"Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: O Allah, I am the first to revive Thy command when they had made it dead. He then commanded and he (the offender) was stoned to death."

The verse is not a part of the quran unlike 24:2

Keep in mind the Quran was not preserved by Written form but by Memorization. And they had many other written form Aisha had her Uthman, Omar Hafsa and the list goes on.

We still have the verse of the stonning today but it is not a part of the Quran.
The old man and the old woman, if they commit adultery

Oh dear Ghaith, you're not doing Islam much good today. You've just placed Mohammed as the editor of the Koran, not the messenger! No doubt the satanic verses were left out also because Mohammed didn't want to write them down.

What
The stanic verses? Ive already showen that Tabari didnt have any reliable sources. Neither did Ibn Ishaq.
Editor?
God didnt want the stone verse in the quran, not Muhammad.
Dont speak without knowledge.

[ringmaster]

.............................. Ive already showen that Tabari didnt have any reliable sources. Neither did Ibn Ishaq.
..................

Obviously manwhore muhammad did not have any reliable sources either.

Whoremaster allah admits to being a "deceiver". A "deceiver" by definition, is unreliable.

[Fernando]

Editor?
God didnt want the stone verse in the quran, not Muhammad.
Dont speak without knowledge.

Oh, so now you're speaking for god as well Ghaith. Poor old Mo, supplanted after all these years by a teenage prophet!

[Ghaith]

Editor?
God didnt want the stone verse in the quran, not Muhammad.
Dont speak without knowledge.

Oh, so now you're speaking for god as well Ghaith. Poor old Mo, supplanted after all these years by a teenage prophet!

There really was no verse about stoning God might have influenced Muhammad to the punishment of married couples but no surah about it was revealed. So the christians resorted to fabricated hadith like the one with Goat. The quran was memorized not written down. If there was a verse about stonning it would have been in the quran compiled in the time of Uthman Caliph when he complied the Quran.

[iffo]

Editor?
God didnt want the stone verse in the quran, not Muhammad.
Dont speak without knowledge.

Oh, so now you're speaking for god as well Ghaith. Poor old Mo, supplanted after all these years by a teenage prophet!

There really was no verse about stoning God might have influenced Muhammad to the punishment of married couples but no surah about it was revealed. So the christians resorted to fabricated hadith like the one with Goat. The quran was memorized not written down. If there was a verse about stonning it would have been in the quran compiled in the time of Uthman Caliph when he complied the Quran.

You can not say this hadith is fabricated and this is not. Whatever hadith puts bad image of Muhammad makes it fabricated and all the good one are geniune, sorry amigoes it does not work like that.

[iffo]

I am sure seeds of doubt have already started to grow in your mind. Your are already 40% atheist.

95% of the people here are knowledge less about Islam and copy/paste's from Ali Sinas article.
Ali Sina him self is an idiot, who has no knowledge of Islam. I am still laughing when he said that Abu Bakr was Muhammads foster brother
40% Atheist i am 101% Monotheist There is no god but god.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2724&p=44784#p44784

R u? How old where you when you wrote this article? 14? Using online Mmorpg language?

I can bring you back to Islam if you like. Just bring the facts that made you leave Islam and i refute them than i give you indisputable facts why Islam is the true religion.

You are still young Iffo. How old are you now 16? 17? God is mericful and can still forgive you.

I have already proved to you in couple of debates that you lost, quran is a stupid book and can not from any god................. no god will write such a dumb book.............. thus you are wasting your time following s stupid book.

[Ghaith]

You can not say this hadith is fabricated and this is not. Whatever hadith puts bad image of Muhammad makes it fabricated and all the good one are geniune, sorry amigoes it does not work like that.

No Iffo, it depends what book the hadith is from. Non of thise hadiths you give are from Bukhari or Muslim

One time you gave me a hadith from that you said was Bukhari but that didnt even exist. This is why im telling you stop beliving in Ali Sina he is bad for you.

[Ghaith]

I am sure seeds of doubt have already started to grow in your mind. Your are already 40% atheist.

95% of the people here are knowledge less about Islam and copy/paste's from Ali Sinas article.
Ali Sina him self is an idiot, who has no knowledge of Islam. I am still laughing when he said that Abu Bakr was Muhammads foster brother
40% Atheist i am 101% Monotheist There is no god but god.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2724&p=44784#p44784

R u? How old where you when you wrote this article? 14? Using online Mmorpg language?

I can bring you back to Islam if you like. Just bring the facts that made you leave Islam and i refute them than i give you indisputable facts why Islam is the true religion.

You are still young Iffo. How old are you now 16? 17? God is mericful and can still forgive you.

I have already proved to you in couple of debates that you lost, quran is a stupid book and can not from any god................. no god will write such a dumb book.............. thus you are wasting your time following s stupid book.

Wishfull thinkng Iffo. You are still a child. Do proper research dont listen to this enemies of God.

[iffo]

You can not say this hadith is fabricated and this is not. Whatever hadith puts bad image of Muhammad makes it fabricated and all the good one are geniune, sorry amigoes it does not work like that.

No Iffo, it depends what book the hadith is from. Non of thise hadiths you give are from Bukhari or Muslim

One time you gave me a hadith from that you said was Bukhari but that didnt even exist. This is why im telling you stop beliving in Ali Sina he is bad for you.

Even Bukari or Muslim hadiths if you don't like them you will say they are fake.

[Ghaith]

You can not say this hadith is fabricated and this is not. Whatever hadith puts bad image of Muhammad makes it fabricated and all the good one are geniune, sorry amigoes it does not work like that.

No Iffo, it depends what book the hadith is from. Non of thise hadiths you give are from Bukhari or Muslim

One time you gave me a hadith from that you said was Bukhari but that didnt even exist. This is why im telling you stop beliving in Ali Sina he is bad for you.

Even Bukari or Muslim hadiths if you don't like them you will say they are fake.

Iffo i told you show me the hadith you provided in Arabic and in a real bukhari book in the internet. You where unable to and gave some other links to it and said this is "islamic sources"

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Do you believe that Muhammad stoned people?

sum

[Ghaith]

Hello Ghaith

Do you believe that Muhammad stoned people?

sum

Ofcourse i do.

He judged the jews according to their own books for stoning.
Its gods law to stone married adulters. Havent you read your own holy book sum?

[ringmaster]

................

Ofcourse i do.

He judged the jews according to their own books for stoning.
Its gods law to stone married adulters. Havent you read your own holy book sum?

That would mean you would have to stone your manwhore prophet.

By the way Ghaith...that's an interesting new signature you have, but it does not change one important fact:

A billion muslims are still too stupid to take Israel away from a few million Jews, and whoremaster allah does nothing about it.

Do you think 2 billion muslims might be able to do the trick?

[peterpin]

Right, now here is the strange thing...

We know that stoning of adulters is mentioned in Leviticus and in Deuteronomy. Yet it is NOT practiced by Jews, and it has not been for about 1900 years. It is also NOT practiced by Christians, and it has specifically been addressed by the New Testament, so it never has been an issue.

In Islam things are different. There is no verse in the quran about stoning, but in this hadith we read that THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (See also: Vol. 8, No. 817 and Vol. 9, No. 424; Sahih Muslim, No. 4194)

So, according to this sahih hadith, there is something missing from the quran. Shocking... The book that is supposed to have ALL the answers for all time is incomplete!

Whose fault is that? Jews/Christians have pinched it? Mohammed forgot? The goat ate it? One of those women who threw themselves at Mohammed has hidden it, in case her husband find out and starts trouble?

Why did Allah not make sure that his word in perfectly preserved? He said he would, didn't he? So was he lying or couldn't he stop it?

Also, what I wonder,reading this,what came first?

Mohammed stoning an adulterer and then Allah reveal that stoning is the right thing to do?
Or Allah revealing it first and then Mohammed went ahead?

[Ghaith]

Hello Peter.

There was never a verse about stonning. The Quran was memorized by heart by followers of Muhammad it was not preserverd by being written down. Uthman compile it into a book. Quran was memorized and recited over and over again through the Muslims' five-times a day prayers, Ramadan, memorization and reciting it continuously refreshed their memories through teaching others. If it was written down it would have been fabricated and corrupted like the Tanakh and the Christian Bible. So this stoning verse never existed.

Some Muslims might have confused ayas with Hadiths. E.g this with the stoning verse.

Allah proptected the quran by the hands of Uthman.

[peterpin]

So what is it the hadith talking about whe it says

We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed

What was this obligation,and why does it say it was revealed by Allah? Where is Mohammed get the authority from to stone adulterers?

Muslims today say the example of Mohammed is their justification for this in my view monstrous practice.And Mohammed, where did he get his justification?

In the gospels we find this:

“Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

(John 8:5ff)


Is this part of the injil a corrupted part?

[Ghaith]

Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed

1. This is something Omar Said.
2. There are no verses of Rajam in the Holy Book (Quran).
3. Muhammad judged the stoning
4. This 3 hadiths are false and fabricated

Logic simple contradicts this 3 hadiths. That you havent figured this out Peter means.

1 Either you biased. 2. I overestimated you

This 3 hadiths (with the goat one) cannot be true.

Because the Quran was not based on written down text's by by Memory of Sahabas Including Omar Ali and Uthman.
So even if a goat eat a text, it could impossible have been the only source. Where did the other people recite it than for events like prayer times and Ramadan?
Uthman would have inserted it into the Quran if it was suppose to be in the quran.

Here the goat verse about stonning, it was not an aya but a hadith. Probably based of the Torah

"Al-shayhu wal-shayhatu iza zanaya farjumuhumanakalan
The old man and the old lady if they committed adultery then stone them.

We are not to take a book written 200 years after the Prophet for granted over the Quran.

[peterpin]

Ok,let leave hadith on one side for a minute and just look at what you yourself tell me...

You said that Mohammed was involved in stoning in some way, by sentencing people to be stoned to death. We don't know for sure if he also took part in the throwing of the stones,perhaps, perhaps not but he certainly sentenced peopleto die by stoning.

I have asked what was Mohammed's justification for this sentence. Why did he choose this gruesome for of execution for adultery? What it his personal decision or did allah tell him to use this sentence?

[Ghaith]

Ok,let leave hadith on one side for a minute and just look at what you yourself tell me...

You said that Mohammed was involved in stoning in some way, by sentencing people to be stoned to death. We don't know for sure if he also took part in the throwing of the stones,perhaps, perhaps not but he certainly sentenced peopleto die by stoning.

I have asked what was Mohammed's justification for this sentence. Why did he choose this gruesome for of execution for adultery? What it his personal decision or did allah tell him to use this sentence?

Jews came to him and asked him to judge between them (Quran 5:43). So he made the jews read the Torah.
Leviticus 20:10 had not been fabricated or the real message was similar so Muhammad judge from the Torah. The quran dont got a punishment for married couples so 24:2 can be a punishment or we can do the sunnah and follow the torah.

The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:829

[iffo]

Iffo i told you show me the hadith you provided in Arabic and in a real bukhari book in the internet. You where unable to and gave some other links to it and said this is "islamic sources"

No I will not play that Arabic game, so you can change the meaning as you feel like. The websites are of muslims not run by kafirs that you don't believe their translation. It is just you admitting you can not defend them and looking for excuses. I can show you the same translation not at one site but different site, they all can not be wrong.