are there good things about Muhammad?

[SAM]

You say Mary is highly regarded by Muslims,who accept the miracle birth,but this begs the question,what is the purpose of her giving birth to this miracle child who is said to be "The Son of the Most High God" who must be named Jesus.Jesus ,therefore is someone who is extra special,and has a mission to complete,by command of His Father in heaven.Why is Jesus a prophet of Islam,when he was foretold to be the Son of the Most High God,who was crucified on a charge of blasphemy,,and rose from the dead.These concepts are totally rejected by Muslims,only because the Quran says so.But the crucifixion of Jesus is a well documented historical event,not just by the Gospels,but by non Christians,i.e.Tacitus,Josephus,Pliny.There is no record of Jesus performing any miracles from the cradle,but it is interesting that the Quran said He did,pointing towards yet again, that Jesus was an extra special person,who consolidated his prophethood by performing miracles.There is in record of Mohammed doing the same.

Hi frankie,

First you have to know the meaning Mary's virginity before the miraculous birth of Jesus and then you will understand everything better. WHY…Mary holds one of the most honored positions in the hearts of Muslims of all times and places. Her sincerity, piety, purity and devotion to God the Supreme Being.

You believe Christianity is the one true religion. The True Religion of God must know to answer the questions correctly. Now the question

Tell me what you know about the meaning of Mary's virginity and miraculous birth. Then we can understand the concepts of Trinity better.

[sum]

Hello SAM

Will you please stop trying to divert this thread onto Christianity. We are well used to your Islamic ploys and so you might as well just stick to the topic of this thread.

Have you anything sensible to say regarding any good points of Muhammad?

sum

[SAM]

Hello SAM

Will you please stop trying to divert this thread onto Christianity. We are well used to your Islamic ploys and so you might as well just stick to the topic of this thread.

Have you anything sensible to say regarding any good points of Muhammad?

sum

Between me and frankie...not you. If you can't bring yourself to join a conversation...stay on the sidelines.

[Ozes]

Sam why do you refuse to stay ontopic and answer the most simple question one can ask about Muhammed?

[Ram]

Sam why do you refuse to stay ontopic and answer the most simple question one can ask about Muhammed?

Ozes, SAM is a Muslim, bear that in mind. There is science called Quranology, SAM is the master. Also there is the Islamic Logic. SAM is emulating the Prophet Muham-mad.

[uncung]

you are wrong, when the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) ascended to the heavens on the night of Al Me'raj, which is mentioned in the first verse of Surah Bani Israel, he ascended each of the seven heavens and upon ascending each, he met with the Prophets (alaiyhimus-salam) before him. They all expressed their faith in his prophethood. When he finally reached Allah, He prescribed fifty daily prayers for the believers. Musa (alaiyhis-salam) said to the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam), "Your followers will not be able to perform so many prayers, you must go back to your Lord and ask Him to reduce the number." The Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) discussed this matter with Jibreel (alaiyhis-salam) who said, "Yes, if you desire," and ascended with him to the Highest Heaven to speak to Allah again, Who, then, reduced the prayers to ten. Again, Musa (alaiyhis-salam) advised for Muhammad (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) to go back and ask Allah for another reduction. So the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) again begged his Lord for another remission. Allah, Praise and Glory be to Him, then reduced the daily prayers to five. And when the Noble Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) went back to Musa (alaiyhis-salam) for the third time, he insisted him to go back to Allah and ask for further reduction, but this time the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) refused and said, "I feel ashamed now for repeatedly asking my Lord for reduction. I accept and resign to His will." When the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) went further, a Caller was heard saying, "I have imposed My ordinance and have alleviated the burden of My servants." (Ar-Raheeq-al-Makhtum, p.148) Thus was the salah made obligatory upon every Muslim believer, male and female.

[marduk]

So Muhammad does what Moses says over what Allah says, is that how it works, uncung? Allah says he wants 50 prayers, Satan disguised as Moses tells him to go back and tell Allah that he made a mistake because Arabs are way too faithless to do what he wants so he has to reduce it? What would you call a person who questions the commands of Allah, uncung? How many times did Muhammad do exactly that, uncung? That's how many skins Allah gave Muhammad to be burned off in hell. Now go find yourself a leader who ISN'T a faithless infidel. And saying that Jibril agreed with it makes the offense even worse. Angels don't question the commands of Allah, like that heathen Muhammad and that lazy conniving bastard Moses. That guy always was a troublemaker. It started with the murder of an Egyptian and now this, outright rebellion against Allah, with his co-conspirators Muhammad and Jibril. Get three bullets ready, St. Peter. We got us an execution at dawn in heaven.

[HomerJay]

I love how Momammed only decided his followers should pray 50 times a day AFTER he was dead and didn't need them to go on his raids anymore:) NOW it's time to pray all day. Everything about Mohammed's "Islam" was geared towards motivating his soldiers to conquer:

No drinking or gambling (unless it's gambling on horsemanship and archery).
The unbelievers are destined for Hell anyway and are sub-human pigs and monkeys, so why concern yourself with enslaving or raping or torturing or killing them?
No prisons for lawbreakers, only corporal or capital punishment (can't carry jails with you on the campaign trail).
Restrictions on diet and sex lifted while on the march.
Share of the booty (money and women).
No interest allowed on loans (discourages his men from starting honest businesses instead of picking up a sword and following Mohammed).
Absolution of sins and the highest afterlife reward for the "fighters".
All who retreat go straight to Hell.
All who "desert the army" (apostates) are to be killed.
Those who reject the call to jihad are practically guaranteed Hell.
And you don't have to say your daily prayers when "fighting in the cause of Allah".

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[marduk]

I love how Momammed only decided his followers should pray 50 times a day AFTER he was dead and didn't need them to go on his raids anymore:)

No, he was supposedly still alive when he went to heaven to visit Allah so he could question his commands. He croaked way after he made up the story about the flying horse etc. Allah tells him he wants mankind to do 50 prayers a day, Muhammad whines about it being too much for a faithless infidel like him and the other Arabs, then he puts it off on Moses. Sure, Muhammad, it was all Moses' idea. Being an Arab and all, Moses would have had a motive to want to reduce the prayer load of the Arabs. Oh wait, Moses was a total Jew. He would have told Muhammad to go back and ask for more. By that time he would have heard about Muhammad killing 800 innocent Jews. Why would he want to help that jerk? Help him to hell maybe, by showing the world how easily Muhammad could be enticed to question Allah. Fortunately, Muhammad was dumb enough to tell the others about it and they were dumb enough to write it down. I guess you could say that Moses got his revenge in the name of the Jews. Now we know for certain that Muhammad was not the Aposte of Allah but a lazy faithless heathen easily led to the cushy path of 5 prayers a day, AKA; the road to hell. Hey Mo, if you only want to do 5 prayers of Mazda instead of 50 prayers of Allah, why not go all the way Persian? It's nice and warm in Persia, and the praying is easy.

[Eagle]

Dear lonely disbelievers bound to hell and ranting restlessly among eachother about things that far surpass your angry, clueless brains,

The Quran refers to 3 prayers, sometimes 2 or sometimes more, maybe even five depending upon how one interprets the particular verse. These timings are sometimes even mentioned before when the miraj was suppose to have happened as alleged in the ahadith, which provides a clear argument against the claim the Prophet received the command to pray five times on miraj.

[pr126]

Eagle wrote:

Dear lonely disbelievers bound to hell and ranting restlessly among eachother about things that far surpass your angry, clueless brains

Dear lonely Eagle,

there is no hell, except what humans create for each other here on earth.

[HomerJay]

Dear lonely disbelievers bound to hell and ranting restlessly among eachother about things that far surpass your angry, clueless brains,

"Lonely"? There are more "unbelievers" than there are believers in the world. We have plenty of company, thank you very much.
And It's not OUR fault that we are clueless. Allah has MADE us this way. He has prevented us from seeing the "truth". So take it up with Allah if you have a problem with our unbelief.

[2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

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[Eagle]

"Lonely"? There are more "unbelievers" than there are believers in the world. We have plenty of company, thank you very much.

Wrong look up any statistics

And It's not OUR fault that we are clueless. Allah has MADE us this way. He has prevented us from seeing the "truth". So take it up with Allah if you have a problem with our unbelief.

It is your entire fault and you cause the death of your own spiritual senses if you indulge in a specific behavior, and copnsequently become unable to recognize the existence of God. Plenty of verses speak of this natural phenomenon. Repeated sins and transgressions diminish the remembrence of God 58:19, cause the sinner to turn his back to the signs 40:69, this leads to denying the hereafter 83:10-14, the heart becomes a niche for evil spirits 26:221-3, hard to the remembrence anything divine 39:22, shrinks upon hearing the calls of guidance 39:45. To take a spiritual breath becomes as hard as when climbing high in altitude 6:125, and the heart ultimately darkens 2:7"Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes" 57:16"so their hearts hardened, and most of them are transgressors". The sealing of the heart is therefore, like all natural laws, a divine decree and it is the human being who prepares the ground for it through his freechoice. When he performs a certain action, its effects inescapably leave their impression on his soul either sharpening his understanding of divine guidance, or corrupting his innate capacity to understand good and evil 91:7-8 until the spiritual senses reach a culminating point where they are damaged beyond repair and are caused to naturally die (sealed) 7:179"..they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear". This verse is similar to Moses' admonishion of the "stiff necked" Israelites in the Bible, who despite all the miracles they witnessed were still doubtful Deut29:3-4"With your own eyes you saw those great trials, those miraculous signs and great wonders. But to this day the LORD has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear".

It is reported the prophet once said "When one commits a sin, a black speck appears on his heart. If he disowns it and repents, his heart will be purified. But if he repeats the sin, the spot spreads, until it overtakes the entire heart". This tradition is supported by 83:14"on their hearts is the stain of the (ill) which they do". The verse says people have first refused to believe, they keep going on in their refusal despite the revelation sent to them 6:104, and so their (spiritual) hearts and eyes are turned away, according to the laws of causality of Allah that a person naturally brings upon himself his spiritual death (the seal) as a consequence of continuous unrighteous behavior, or the increase of his spiritual receptivity consequently to righteous behavior, and they will not believe except if Allah forces them 6:12,74:56 by compelling them against their freewill, and against the Quranic principle of no coercion in religion 2:256,18:29. They will seek vain excuses even if they were to be shown a glimpse from the heavens 15:14-15"Only our eyes have been covered over, rather we are an enchanted people". They will remain unsensitive no matter which signs are manifested before them or warner sent to them 7:146,10:101 even if the angels or the dead speak to them, except if Allah pleases 6:111, meaning only when compulsion is applied which is contrary to Allah's plan 11:28"shall we constrain you to (accept) it while you are averse from it?" Therefore those who reach such advanced stage of spiritual degeneration will not turn back, even while they are chastised with divine affliction as seen with prophet Nuh's own son who remained in his pride and unbelief until he was drowned 11:36-43 and when they do turn back at the last moment as in Firawn's case it cannot be accepted from them because their repentance is not truthful, based on faith and neither do they have time to assert their faith in this life 6:158"its faith shall not profit a soul which did not believe before, or earn good through its faith". For this reason Allah says by leaving them a time of respite, He is in fact already punishing them in this life because it will only serve to add them in sins 3:178. When they ask for mercy from the depths of Hell, they will be answered with 35:37"Did We not preserve you alive long enough, so that he who would be mindful in it should mind?". Although their wickedness is such that they deserve immidiate divine retribution 42:21,29:53,18:58 God desires to begin their spiritual punishement in this world by letting them add sins upon sins and therefore returning to them the scheme they think they are putting up against God's cause 7:182-3,68:43-5. From a global perspective, the time of respite of a nation to whom messengers are sent takes also into account God's higher purpose for the establishement of His way, those who have yet to come into faith, others to whom the revelation has not yet been properly communicated, as well as those who seek further spiritual guidance 20:129-132. That is why such nations do not incure God's retribution only after a prescribed time. As regards to the spiritually dead, in the times of the messengers or today, their faith has already been sealed 17:45-7,18:56-7"And We do not send messengers but as givers of good news and warning, and those who disbelieve make a false contention that they may render null thereby the truth, and they take My communications and that with which they are warned for a mockery. And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of the communications of his Lord, then he turns away from them and forgets what his two hands have sent before? Surely We have placed veils over their hearts lest they should understand it and a heaviness in their ears; and if you call them to the guidance, they will not ever follow the right course in that case" and when their appointed time expires, they will be destroyed then.
Prior to their spiritual senses having being sealed, they were people who never understood the Divine Call, mocked it, contended with its Truth, turned away from it countinuously. They were walking the typical road leading to spiritual self-destruction. The second part of the verse explains the consequences of such behavior; God causes the death of their spiritual senses as a natural consequence of their advanced level of spiritual degradation. Their spiritual senses are caused to die just like Allah causes the physical death of the one who would countinuously mutilate himself. The consequence of such spiritual condition is the incapacity to react positively to guidance and accept it, due to a deep aversion to it whenever the person comes in contact with it. This natural law has been decreed by God and is meant as a spiritual punishement of the the most obdurate sinners in this world. A similar situation is described in 7:100-1 where Allah sets a seal over the spiritual senses of the people who transgress repeatedly and reject continuously the guidance no matter how clearly it is explained to them, so that as a punishement for their attitude, they remain in darkness until death takes them. One causes himself to reach that point where he can no longer react positively to spiritual guidance until his appointed time comes 3:178,7:182-3,68:43-5. The phenomenon is attributed to Allah since He has decreed this law of cause and effect but the seal comes from the person himself 41:5"And they say: Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and there is a heaviness in our ears, and a veil hangs between us and you". They have closed their own senses to the understanding of the Quran. After reaching that point where any exposure to the revelation causes aversion, one can choose to adopt a passive attitude towards the guidance from Allah and his surrounding signs instead of fighting, mocking or disputing them 6:25 and thus avoid growing in sin and worsening his state in the Hereafter. The spiritual senses are sealed when they reach the culminating point of spiritual degradation, but if, instead of adopting the most abhorrant behavior towards guidance, the disbeliever remains passive to it thus showing that there remains a light of goodness in the depth of his hardened heart, then Allah will turn mercifully to him and restore his spiritual receptivity 8:23"And if Allah had known any good in them He would have made them hear" 6:46"Have you considered that if Allah takes away your hearing and your sight and sets a seal on your hearts, who is the god besides Allah that can bring it to you?". This is what happenned to the previous nations to whom revelation was sent but gradually turned away from it and kept transgressing until they became spiritually deaf and blind. God knew some goodness in them despite their repeated transgressions so He turned to them in forgiveness, leaving them the chance to nurture and develop their newly recovered spiritual receptivity but while a few succeeded, many failed 5:70-71. However most people who reach spiritual death do not possess anymore goodness in them which is why they aren't deserving of Allah's mercy anymore so He does not restore their senses 8:23"and if He makes them hear they would turn back while they withdraw" so those whose hearts are sealed and have no goodness whatsoever in them anymore are left to add sins to their sins as a way of punishement in this world, culminating in the Hereafter (see bellow "add in sin") 10:33"Thus does the word of your Lord prove true against those who transgress that they do not believe".

Just like the strengthening of one's heart and belief is attributed to Allah who established and allowed the laws of causality according to which the increase in spiritual receptivity is contingent on an initial righteous behavior 8:10-11,10:57,18:13-14,19:76,48:4,47:17"And (as for) those who follow the right direction, He increases them in guidance and gives them their guarding (against evil)" 48:26"Allah sent down His tranquillity on His Messenger and on the believers, and made them keep the word of guarding (against evil), and they were entitled to it and worthy of it; and Allah is Cognizant of all things", the natural phenomenon of sealing/death of the (spiritual) senses is attributed to Allah because it exists with the will of Allah, in accordance with His laws of causality that a person willfully endulging in a certain specific and repeated behavior his spiritual senses are caused to die (sealed) after reaching the ultimate stage of spiritual degradation, just like physical death naturaly comes as a result of repeatedly mutilating one's self. We are made of the physical body and the spiritual body; both can die at our own hands and at any moment if we indulge in certain behavior. Just as physical death ends the capacity to nurture the dead body, spiritual death ends the capacity to nurture the soul and purify it through the spiritual guidance since it cannot be recognized anymore "He will indeed be successful who purifies it, And he will indeed fail who corrupts it".
At that point, the person's moral values are turned upside down 5:71"And they thought that there would be no affliction, so they became blind and deaf; then Allah turned to them mercifully, but many of them became blind and deaf" 16:36"So there were some of them whom Allah guided and there were others against whom error was due (haqqat alayhi aldalaal or "against whom a verdict of error became inevitable")".
The wilful rejector, after having turned aside from divine calls, ackowledges his own impermeability to the herald of good news and warnings, the fact his senses are not receptive to the Quran 41:3-5"A Book of which the verses are made plain..A herald of good news and a warner, but most of them turn aside so they hear not. And they say: Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and there is a heaviness in our ears, and a veil hangs between us and you".

[HomerJay]

Wrong look up any statistics

What? You're trying to claim that Muslims are the majority in the world now? Obviously by "believers" I meant the term as Muslims use it, the insufferably arrogant idea that "belief" means belief in Islam. I happen to be a Christian, but by your definition I am an "unbeliever". Non-Muslims obviously outnumber Muslims in the world.

It is your entire fault and you cause the death of your own spiritual senses if you indulge in a specific behavior, and copnsequently become unable to recognize the existence of God.

I agree. If it is something I have done, then any death of my spirituality is my fault. However, if it is an omnipotent being doing the "sealing", I am not to be faulted. How can I ever change, how can I eventually "see the light", if my eyes have been sealed by God? What is the purpose of "sealing" me, or even INCREASING my unbelief, as in -
10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

If it was just ME who has created this disease in my heart, and it is just ME who has sealed by heart and mind, then I will in all likelihood just continue sinning until my death and then go on to my punishment in Hell. So what is the point of ALLAH sealing me and INCREASING my unbelief, if I have already done it to myself? Does Allah make pointless statements?

...and they will not believe except if Allah forces them 6:12,74:56 by compelling them against their freewill, and against the Quranic principle of no coercion in religion 2:256,18:29.

This is illogical. You state on the one hand that Allah will not intervene in my free will, that he leaves us all free to sin or be righteous, but yet for some reason he INTERFERES by arbitrarily and capriciously (it seems to me) "sealing" some, and not sealing others. By interfering in ME in this way, he has absolutely removed any chance I might ever have of eventually finding God and becoming righteous. And your argument that these people "had already sealed themselves", and would "never see the light" is equally ridiculous. If I have "sealed myself" by my OWN deeds and thoughts, and I will never change, then what is the point of Allah saying HE has sealed me? All he would have to say was that the "unbeliever has set as seal on his OWN heart".

But Allah makes a point of saying he has PERSONALLY sealed off my chances of ever finding God, and has further INCREASED MY DISEASE (of unbelief). There would be no logical reason to make these statements if I had already done these things to myself. And I don't think the Almighty is illogical. So either Allah wanted to interfere with my chances of spiritual growth, or he is an idiot and makes illogical statements claiming on the one hand I have free will and the other that I don't.

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[SAM]

Among all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. Muhammad as the Saints of the Most High. And the greatness of Muhammad in his establishing Kingdom of God on earth and established the religion of Islam which has united into one real brotherhood many nations and peoples. Including Adzan (the "music" for everyone) as the International Anthem for the World.

For 2,000 years till today the Christians of all denominations and shades of belief have been praying and repeating this invocation,Thy Kingdom come, and they will keep continue to pray for Islam as the only true religion....Kingdom of God..Thank you, Christians

(Daniel 7: 22 and 27)."The kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under all heaven shall be given to the people of the Saints of the Most High; its (the people's) kingdom (shall be) a kingdom for ever, and all dominions shall serve and obey it"

[HomerJay]

For 2,000 years till today the Christians of all denominations and shades of belief have been praying and repeating this invocation,Thy Kingdom come, and they will keep continue to pray for Islam as the only true religion....Kingdom of God..Thank you, Christians

Speak for yourself. When I pray for "thy kingdom come" it is not addressed to Allah and my heavenly kingdom is not a brothel. You can say that Jews and Christians all worship "Allah", but you're kidding yourself. The god described in the Quran is completely different from the Christian god. Christ talked about God's love for man. Where is the love in the Quran? Nowhere. Christ represents love and mercy, Allah represents fear and eternal warfare. Why do you think practically every Muslim-majority nation is currently in conflict with itself and/or its neighbors?

Maybe YOU should be praying for CHRIST'S kingdom to come.

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[Eagle]

I happen to be a Christian, but by your definition I am an "unbeliever".

No thats not the definition of an unbeliever. And its strange for a christian to be disputing such issue of seal of the senses when all religious scriptures have the concept, albeit some differences. This is seen in the NT for example with Jesus' accustations of the stubborn Pharisees who could not see the truth despite his repeated warnings Jn8:42-49, to whom the truth was puposefuly made obscure by God Who knows in His foreknowledge whose heart He will harden Rom9:8-23,Ex4:21,Deut2:26-35 because of their transgressions and who will be made delusional in order to be deceived through lies, consequently to their spiritual degradation Matt11:20-25"Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not..Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent" 2Thess2:10-13"and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness".
Besides the fact that Jesus distanced himself from the spiritually unclean while calling them dogs and pigs Matt7:6, he also spoke to the spiritually dead purposely in parables, knowing that however clear his language is they will not understand him, thus conforming the prophecy of Isaiah according to which a category of transgressors will never be spiritually receptive Mk4:10-12,Matt13:13-15"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed.." (see Quran7:179) "..lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them". This obviously does not mean that their hearts were purposely hardened in order to prevent them from understanding the message and repent to God. They initialy turned away from guidance and transgressed, bringing upon themselves the hardening of their spiritual senses (hearts), otherwise they would have been able to understand guidance, turn to God in repentance and be forgiven. See parallel with 18:56-57.

The Bible also presents the case of Pharao to whom Moses was sent with miracles but with a clear purpose; to cause God -in answer to Pharao's denial of the miracle- to unleash His series of punishements on Egypt and consequently free the enslaved Israelites. For the attainement of this purpose Ex7:3-5,13,Ex10:1"I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them". Pharao and his officials had no other issue but to be doomed Ex14:4"And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army". Pharao's heart was purposefuly hardened prior to the performance of miracles in order to create a chain of events meant at destroying the Egyptian oppressors and ultimately freeing the Israelites.
The Quran says on the contrary that Moses and Aaron were primarly sent to Pharao and the corrupt elite around him to make them mend their ways, like all prophets when they are sent to a nation, and also to free a righteous community living in physical as well as spiritual oppression 7:103-5,130,10:75-8,20:43-4,79:17-21"Go to Firon, surely he has become inordinate. Then say: Have you (a desire) to purify yourself: And I will guide you to your Lord so that you should fear. So he showed him the mighty sign. But he rejected (the truth) and disobeyed" 44:18-9"Deliver to me the servants of Allah, surely I am a faithful messenger to you, And that do not exalt yourselves against Allah, surely I will bring to you a clear authority".
That Moses' mission was twofolds is again made clear when Pharao and his ministers accused God's messengers of wanting to 20:57,10:78"turn us away from what we found our fathers upon, and (that) greatness in the land should be for you two? And we are not going to believe in you". Although he rejected repeatedly Moses' calls and the manifest signs, some Egyptians believed and were consequently punished in the most humiliating fashion 7:120-7,20:70-3,40:25 which prompted other people in Pharao's closest entourage to not declare their belief openly except for one man 40:28-45.
It was not until after Pharao's obstinate rejection of God's signs that were actually meant at making him mend his ways 7:130-5,17:101-2,20:56,43:48 going as far as building a tower to reach for the heavens and disprove Moses' claims 40:36-7 and the misuse of his powers without limits to prevent the people from practicing the true religion and establishing places of worship, that his and his official's hearts were hardened 10:75-89. We also read in these verses that before fleeing the increasing oppression, Moses made the prayer that God might harden Pharao's heart and destroy what gave him the ability to opress the people and corrupt the land and God accepted Moses' prayer. However this does not mean that divine retribution and the sealing of his heart came in answer to these prayers because Pharao and his ministers were already engaging in the typical behavior of spiritual self-destruction and were going to meet the natural consequences of their behavior with or without Moses' prayer. In fact in introduction to the story and as a reminder of His established system of moral accountability and causality, God says that a seal is set on the hearts of those who repeatedly reject and transgress when the clear communications of the prophets come to them 10:74, as was Pharao's case.
And regarding the utter destruction of his power, this came in answer to Pharao's repeated rejection of the signs, including the 9 manifest signs 7:133,17:101 until the final one and Moses was warned to flee the land by night with his people before the punishement was inflicted 26:52-68,43:49-56,44:23-30,7:134-6"if you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and we will certainly send away with you the children of Israel. But when We removed the plague from them till a term which they should attain lo! they broke (the promise). Therefore We inflicted retribution on them and drowned them in the sea because they rejected Our signs and were heedless of them."

Another an instance of the Quran restoring the truth of what was forgotten and distorted 20:99"Thus do We relate to you (some) of the news of what has gone before; and indeed We have given to you a Reminder from Ourselves".

I agree. If it is something I have done, then any death of my spirituality is my fault. However, if it is an omnipotent being doing the "sealing", I am not to be faulted. How can I ever change, how can I eventually "see the light", if my eyes have been sealed by God? What is the purpose of "sealing" me, or even INCREASING my unbelief, as in -
10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

Already fully addressed in the previous post, once you're spiritually dead your faith is sealed in this world and wont be able to turn back by your own self. You can then either choose to increase in sin or remain passive to avoid worsening your state in the hereafter, and as already said God's increase of your sin is due to not destroying you immidiately and leaving you to keep transgressing

If I have "sealed myself" by my OWN deeds and thoughts, and I will never change, then what is the point of Allah saying HE has sealed me?

Already fully addressed in the previous post, read again the part about why God attributes to Himself such phenomenon you willfully brought upon yourself

By interfering in ME in this way, he has absolutely removed any chance I might ever have of eventually finding God and becoming righteous.

There is no interference, God causes the death of your spiritual senses as a natural consequence of your advanced level of spiritual degradation. Your spiritual senses are caused to die just like Allah causes the physical death of the one who would countinuously mutilate himself. The consequence of such spiritual condition is the incapacity to react positively to guidance and accept it, due to a deep aversion to it whenever the person comes in contact with it. This natural law has been decreed by God and is meant as a spiritual punishement of the the most obdurate sinners in this world. A similar situation is described in 7:100-1 where Allah sets a seal over the spiritual senses of the people who transgress repeatedly and reject continuously the guidance no matter how clearly it is explained to them, so that as a punishement for their attitude, they remain in darkness until death takes them. One causes himself to reach that point where he can no longer react positively to spiritual guidance until his appointed time comes 3:178,7:182-3,68:43-5. The phenomenon is attributed to Allah since He has decreed this law of cause and effect but the seal comes from the person himself 41:5"And they say: Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and there is a heaviness in our ears, and a veil hangs between us and you".

[marduk]

Among all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. Muhammad as the Saints of the Most High. And the greatness of Muhammad in his establishing Kingdom of God on earth and established the religion of Islam which has united into one real brotherhood many nations and peoples. Including Adzan (the "music" for everyone) as the International Anthem for the World.

For 2,000 years till today the Christians of all denominations and shades of belief have been praying and repeating this invocation,Thy Kingdom come, and they will keep continue to pray for Islam as the only true religion....Kingdom of God..Thank you, Christians

(Daniel 7: 22 and 27)."The kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under all heaven shall be given to the people of the Saints of the Most High; its (the people's) kingdom (shall be) a kingdom for ever, and all dominions shall serve and obey it"

Um, saints don't kill people. And the Quran says that it is Jesus who was anointed by Allah as the Messiah, the King. Why we need Muhammad when The Messiah was already here and told us what Allah wanted us to do? How "corrupted" could the Gospels get in only 600 years? Has to be less than the Quran did in 1400.

[frankie]

Frankie, my sister in law, its good we have people like you. Not only you advertising Islam, you provide free historical lessons. thanks for your hard work.

Question.. do you believe all these as historical facts? If you do then how about the rest? According to a non muslim the prophet rank top as the best man ever set foot on this earth. What do you have to say that?

uncung:
The "advert" I provide for Islam is only by way of advertising the facts, of how Islam is a dangerous,divisive set of man made rules and regulations,that seeks world domination for the "cause of Allah" by continuous hostility,for all times and places,exactly by following Allahs rules and the "prophet"of Islam's example.

A Muslim is obliged to believe all this,on pain of death,either literally,or by Allahs wrath.A Non Muslim sees Islam for what it is,because he is free to research and ask questions.This leads onto the truth,in as much to say that Islam does not come from the same benign force as the Christian deiety.If you are a seeker of truth,you are more likely to find it in the Gospels, than in the Quran.

According to its own Muslim sources,Mohammed is shown to be an Arabian war lord,certainly not a man of peace and compassion,and certainly not how it is spoon fed to the Muslim faithful as,"the prophet rank top as the best man ever set foot on this earth."

[frankie]

Among all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah. Muhammad as the Saints of the Most High. And the greatness of Muhammad in his establishing Kingdom of God on earth and established the religion of Islam which has united into one real brotherhood many nations and peoples. Including Adzan (the "music" for everyone) as the International Anthem for the World.

For 2,000 years till today the Christians of all denominations and shades of belief have been praying and repeating this invocation,Thy Kingdom come, and they will keep continue to pray for Islam as the only true religion....Kingdom of God..Thank you, Christians

(Daniel 7: 22 and 27)."The kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under all heaven shall be given to the people of the Saints of the Most High; its (the people's) kingdom (shall be) a kingdom for ever, and all dominions shall serve and obey it"

SAM:

You need to read the Lords Prayer,or The Our Father in its entirety,before you can claim,that this Kingdom of God, is linked to anything to do with Islam.

When Jesus taught his disciples to pray,He said Our Father,who art in heaven hallowed be Thy name,Thy Kindom come,Thy will be done on earth, as is is in heaven,etc.....
The Kingdom referred to in Christianity is God the Fathers Kingdom,(Yahweh),if you have been led to believe it has anything remotely to do with an Islamic kingdom,you have been greatly mis-led.IF there was such a thing as an "Islamic kingdom"it would be "run" on Allahs rules and regulations,i.e.Sharia,which is diametrically opposed to Yahwehs rules and regulations.

The question on Mary.

Quote:
"First you have to know the meaning Mary's virginity before the miraculous birth of Jesus and then you will understand everything better. WHY…Mary holds one of the most honored positions in the hearts of Muslims of all times and places. Her sincerity, piety, purity and devotion to God the Supreme Being.

You believe Christianity is the one true religion. The True Religion of God must know to answer the questions correctly. Now the question

Tell me what you know about the meaning of Mary's virginity and miraculous birth. Then we can understand the concepts of Trinity better."unquote

The argument is not based upon what I believe,but what Muslims are taught, and are told to believe.

Christians take the N.T. as their reference point,and the Gospels make it clear that "The Holy Spirit will come on you,and God's power will rest upon you.For this reason,the holy child will be callled the Son of God.Mary said, I am the Lords servant,may it happen to me as you have said Luke 1:35.38

Christians take Mary,as do Muslims to be as you say,BUT she submitted her will to her Gods will.Her God was Yahweh.

The concept of the Trinity cannot be understood by humans,it is a God made concept,not a man made one.All that can be said is, you take it as part of your faith,which ,I agree, can be well argued,and not acceptable by people that have no "faith" in any religion.