I just cannot understand this Allah...

[KhaliL FarieL]

well below is the verse that came to mind when I wrote that post. I'm not sure if there are other verses (maybe Ahmed could help)

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And in like manner We disclosed them (to the people of the city) that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that, as for the Hour, there is no doubt concerning it. When (the people of the city) disputed of their case among themselves, they said: Build over them a building; their Lord knoweth best concerning them. Those who won their point said: We verily shall build a place of worship over them.

18- الجزء 15 السورة الكهف آية 21 ( مسجد: 1 )
وَكَذَلِكَ أَعْثَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ لِيَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ وَأَنَّ السَّاعَةَ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهَا إِذْ يَتَنَازَعُونَ بَيْنَهُمْ أَمْرَهُمْ فَقَالُوا ابْنُوا عَلَيْهِم بُنْيَانًا رَّبُّهُمْ أَعْلَمُ بِهِمْ قَالَ الَّذِينَ غَلَبُوا عَلَى أَمْرِهِمْ لَنَتَّخِذَنَّ عَلَيْهِم مَّسْجِدًا

But I guess I see your point. It was NOT clarified whether building a mosque over them was forbidden or not! I guess it's my religious background that made me think it was forbidden although it's NOT clear from this verse all by itself.

Surprisingly debunker, this verse is used by many Muslims to argue “erecting mosques around the graves of pious people is permissible”. See:

Proof 1 of building of tombs around a grave

Quran states:

Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a place of worship over them." [Quran 18:21]

Tafsir for this verse

Qadhi Thana Ullah Panipatti (Rahimuhullah) writes in his great Tafsir al Mazhari: After the death of Ashaab al Kahf a dispute occurred between Muslims and non-muslims, The Muslims said that they will make a Masjid over them because they were of our faith whereas the disbelievers said they will build other buildings on it where people will live….This Ayah is proving that Mosques could be made near graves of Awliya in order to say salaat in them, Tabarruk is also attained through the tombs of Awliya [Tafsir al Mazhari Volume No.7, Page No. 123-124]

Tafsir by Imam Bayzawi (rah) says: "From this it is understood that to erect a Mausoleum for the special people, i.e. Pious Saints and Ulema, is permissible".

Tafsir by Imam Fakhrud'deen Razi (rah) writes: "The leaders of the city said that we will build a Mosque over them so that we will worship Allah Ta'ala and by the means of this Mosque the monument of As'haab Khaaf will remain." [Tafseer Kabeer]

In "Tafseer Roohul Bayaan", Vol. 3, according to the verse: "To build over the graves of the Ulema, Awliya and the Saliheen is a permissible act with this condition that the motive is that the greatness of these pious people must be made apparent so that the people don't think that it is an ordinary grave."


More Authnetic tafsirs for proof 1 from Quran:


"They said, build over their cave any building. Their Lord knows well about them. Those who prevailed in their affair said, 'We swear that we shall erect over them(graves) mosque"

[Glorious Quran Sura al-Kahf, verse 21]


Commenting on this verse,** Imam at-Tabari, Hafiz Ibn Kathir and Imam al-Qurtabi** write:

"When the people of the cave went into the cave, some people close to the entrance of the cave said, 'Build a mosque so we can worship Allah.' The people who said this were Muslims"

[Tafsir Tabari, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Sura al-Kahf, verse 21]

Therefore, from this we can prove that building a mosque near the grave of a pious person is permissible.

***Hafiz al-'Asqalani writes*** :

"If a person built a mosque near the graves of pious people, and that person's intention is solely for the blessings of Allah, and at the time of prayer the people do not not prostrate or face the grave, it is permissible to build a mosque near the grave of a saint and is not forbidden"

[Fath al-Bari, Chapter of Masjid]

>>>>This link<<<<

Regards
KF

[debunker]

well, without Tafsir, it could be understood from the verse that this action (building a mosque over their grave) is not necessarily wrong simply because the verse did NOT condemn it.

As for Tabari and Ibn Kathir, in their Tafsir, they have the opposite opinion too (that it IS forbidden).

anyway, even if this verse was indeed saying it's ok to build mosques over graves, I would still strongly encourage avoiding it (people almost always end up worshipping those within the grave).

[iffo]

Debunker
@ iffo

what makes you think that this was his home in Mecca? PLUS assuming it was his home, it does NOT prove that he was poor, because he was rich in Mecca, remember? remember? Anyway, I am for demolishing his "alleged" house in Mecca and building a parking lot in its place (even if it was really his house; are you angry at me?)

He may be rich in Mecca, I am just saying the way he was living and house he was living was not the life style of money/power greedy person who was virtually king of whole Arabia.

Whether that was his house or not, well that's a different debate, infact we can reject everything that is in the museums related to him or Islam and call it alleged there is no DNA proof of anything. On what bases you say that is not his house? What about somone say his grave is actually not his grave.


As far as leveling his house, that's a personal opinion, if no one is worshipping it and just coming to see as you see any other historical place then why destroy piece of history.


No I am not angry.

[piscohot]

@ piscohot

so what if the stone was prized by Meccans, so was the Kaaba, should Muslims get rid of the Kaaba too? (well they did destroy it before in a war).

Fact remains that it is a stone worshipped by non muslims.. and now by musims.

If the reason the graves and houses were levelled was to prevent people worshipping them, the stone should too have been removed.
What's the purpose of kissing a stone?