Muhammad was a fraud: Final nail in the coffin

[ringmaster]

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I asked you to provide a SAHIH hadith not ibn Ishaq or Tabari that shows there was no time gap between the 2 ayas. And that this is an instant Abrogation rather than a war command. I be waiting-

Does not matter whether there was a time gap or not. Historical context or historical sequence is not an acceptable excuse for any of the sh!t that is in the koran. After all, isn't the word of your bitchboy allah supposed to be universal and eternal?

[iffo]

I didnt know who Ibn Ishaq was? Ok iffo Look around my older posts and tell me that again.

Is the discussion about Ibn Ishaq ? These typical muslim tricks to divert from the topic will not get your beloved prophet out from my cage. And on this public site your failure to defend him and answer my question proves that Muhammad was a fraud.

I dont like being accused.

I asked you to provide a SAHIH hadith not ibn Ishaq or Tabari that shows there was no time gap between the 2 ayas. And that this is an instant Abrogation rather than a war command. I be waiting-

Who you think you are playing with little buddy. The tricks you learned from dishonest, crock islamic scholars will not work here . It's your job to save Muhammad's ass by providing evidence to prove me wrong. I am going by the dumbest book of all time Quran and yes your Allah changed it right away according to quran, can you prove this wrong?

[Ghaith]

Iffo provide me background story on the ayas that defends your claims.

Bring me Sahih sources with the chains and nr/page nr.

I am still waiting.

If you cannot than admit there is no such information and leave this issue alone since than it can neither be proven or disproven.

[iffo]

oh no no no little Spanish friend.

Biggest source is quran. I am going by your pathetic quran and it cancelled 8:65 right away with 8:66 ........................... that's all I need........... you see anything between 8:65 and 8:66.

So your god canceled 8:65 right away. If you think he did not cancel right away its you who need to prove not me.

Quran 8:65
Sahih International

O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.

Quran 8:66
Sahih International

Now, Allah has lightened [the hardship] for you, and He knows that among you is weakness. So if there are from you one hundred [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you a thousand, they will overcome two thousand by permission of Allah . And Allah is with the steadfast.

[Ghaith]

Iffo provide me background story on the ayas that defends your claims.

Bring me Sahih sources with the chains and nr/page nr.

I am still waiting.

If you cannot than admit there is no such information and leave this issue alone since than it can neither be proven or disproven.

[iffo]

Iffo provide me background story on the ayas that defends your claims.

Bring me Sahih sources with the chains and nr/page nr.

I am still waiting.

If you cannot than admit there is no such information and leave this issue alone since than it can neither be proven or disproven.

hehehe

Its been proven by your biggest source which is quran, that he cancelled it right away (8:65, 8:66). I don't need anything else. So you are history.

Tomorrow you will claim this Ayah was revealed when Muhammad was scratching his balls, and ask me to get Bokari/muslim hadith to prove you wrong that he was not scratching his balls. What's wrong with you?. Be an honest, fair little Spanish Amigoes.


Lets suppose you find an hadith that says he cancelled the Ayah after one month, will it make any difference? You will still loose.

[marduk]

8:66 (Asad) For the time being, [however,] God has lightened your burden. for He knows that you are weak: and so, if there be one hundred of you who are patient in adversity, they should [be able to]' overcome two hundred; and if there be one thousand of you, they should [be able to] overcome two thousand by God's leave: for God is with those who are patient in adversity. [71]

Nice of Allah to go easy on them, knowing how weak Muslims are he only demanded that they be twice as strong as normal humans. Should be easy enough, right? Allah won't MAKE them twice as strong as normal, they have to do that themselves. Sure, it would be easy for Allah to make them all into unbeatable giants but that would take all the fun out of it for him. Then he couldn't watch a bunch of Arabs getting killed by mere Unbelievers anymore. We can therefore conclude that Allah WANTED Muslims to get killed. He knew they were weak pathetic pieces of crap and he STILL forced them to go to war against the much stronger and smarter Unbelievers.

Allah must have hated Arabs, understandable really. The Arabs must have got tried of doing all of Allah's fighting for him but they were just too weak and dumb to stop. Here's their battle cry; "Allah is great, not quite great enough to kill the Unbelievers though so we will have to do it for him, Allah's protectors charge!!! It's alright, Allah, there there. We won't let the big bad Unbelievers insult you. You won't defend your own honor and neither will even one of your angels so we, puny humans, will be the defenders of your honor, oh all powerful and fearsome Allah, as it should be. Now who are you going to get to fight the demons for you, Allah? If only you had created angels who actually bothered to defend you, Allah. But you know best, don't you. That's why you created an army of coward angels. You are most wise, oh Allah."

[ringmaster]

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Lets suppose you find an hadith that says he cancelled the Ayah after one month, will it make any difference? You will still loose.

Iffo..............Verse 2-106 also suffices to support your position.

[iffo]

I conclude this thread as yet another defeat for the muslims here, as they failed miserably to defend this quran error and ran away with their tails between their legs.

[Fernando]

8:65 asks one believer to overcome ten disbelievers but in 8:66 Allah(swt) eases the the task for the believers to overcome two disbeliever per believer because they became weak after fighting.

There is a time difference to when 8:65 was revealed and 8:66 was revealed.

Pathetic, O cadaverous one.

[marduk]

I'm wondering why Allah didn't just tell the Muslims to "get thou some sulphur, some nitrate and some charcoal, mix them together and use it to kill those pesky Unbelievers". Making them fight with swords was just sending them to their deaths. He inspired the Chinese to invent gunpowder and they don't even like him. Guess he wanted the Chinese to be able to protect themselves against the Muslims. Worked out pretty well. I don't see any mosques in China.

[piscohot]

The mongols slaughtered the muslims even though muslim army vastly outnumbered the mongols.
Where was Allah?

[ringmaster]

The mongols slaughtered the muslims even though muslim army vastly outnumbered the mongols.
Where was Allah?

Nothing has changed. A billion muslims are too stupid to subdue a few million Jews.