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Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:48 am
by Kafirist
ColonialRustic wrote:I have returned after a long respite to find that a lot of the problems that made this forum so tiresome are still here. Whenever someone makes a reference to other religions - often in comparison to Islam - all the atheists come out of the woodwork to spew their venom against any religious belief whatsoever.

Moreover, it seems there is an increase in posts that have nothing to do with Islam, but rather have the intent to portray any religion whatsoever in a negative light (the Catholics seem to be a favorite target).

While my own religion hasn't been slammed by this forum, I think that it serves no good purpose with these in-your-face atheist rants - especially when they are so rage-filled and lacking in rational arguments. They begin to look too much like the Muslim extremists we are trying to stand against.

As a side note, it seems that the level of civil discourse has also degraded. There is altogether too much profanity in this forum.

Let the rage begin... :roll:


All religions are evil. Especially Christianity and Islam. Jesus and Muhammad were both crazy.

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:04 am
by planck
Ram wrote:
planck wrote:Every atheist has their own agenda for being against all religions (it's usually personal). And if there's a virulent anti-christianity poster out there, chances are they're an Indian/hindu nationalist. For some reason, Hindus actually hate christianity more so than Islam--I found that out a while back. But all in all, on a website like this, it's better that everyone's an agnostic or an atheist. Otherwise it just turns into a yelling match..."Your pedophile prophet," "you worship a monkey," "Well, you worship someone who nailed himself to a stick!" and the crusades start all over again.

Your comment (underlined) is totally absurd. Mother Theresa was a Christian missionary working in India with the co-operation of many Hindu groups in spite of the fact that Mother Theresa sincerely believed that Hindus are infidels destined for hell for not accepting Christ. When she died she was given a state funeral by the BJP (characterized as Hindu Nationalist Party by hate mongers) government. Christians like Billy Graham, his son Frank Graham, Benny Hinn openly and shamelessly preach hatred against Hindus when they evangelize in India.

The Pope John Paul was a hatemonger who condemned Buddhism while on a trip to Sri Lanka, a majority Buddhist country. I have never heard any Buddhist leader criticizing Christianity. Have you heard the Dalai Lama criticizing Christianity? The present Pope is a hatemonger. So please put things in perspective.

Are you deliberately trying to be schizophrenic here, Ram? You just proved that my assertion is not absurd and indeed correct. I merely pointed out that many of the virulently anti-christianity posters on this forum are hindus and or indians. It's a generalization, but I'm not making it up.

I can maybe correct it to say that hindus/indians hate christianity just as much as islam---rather than more.

Let me recap the argument.

planck posts: many hindus hate christianity.

Ram (and I'm assuming you're a hindu) posts: planck, what you posted is totally absurd...........

Chrisitianity is evil because mother theresa believes you are going to hell because people who don't accept Jesus christ is going to burn in hell. And christianity is full of hatemongers.....


I merely pointed out an obvious fact that I've observed on this forum. From a western perspective, it's somewhat odd and a little peculiar for some fervent hindus to despise christianity---but that's precisely why I mentioned it. So that it could be explained.

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:10 pm
by charleslemartel
Ram wrote:The use of profanity is a sign of immaturity. Some people use profanity because they are not articulate enough to express their thoughts adequately, or they are lazy.


Or may be sometimes profanity expresses their thoughts much better than any civility :)

Jesus and Mary would introduce and lead them to Muhammad

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:01 pm
by paarsurrey
Ram wrote:I don't understand what you mean by you love Jesus and Mary? This is a meaningless expression. Nobody can love any entity which has been dead for thousands of years.


Hi friends

The Atheists Agnostics and Christian posters have collaborated in this forum only to use hate words against Muhammad; who died 1400 years ago; never had they thought as to how meaningless it is for them to use such hate words against a person who died 1400 years ago.

If I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran; it is meaningful for the world. If their eyes are dazzled to the light of Muhammad and they are unable to understand Muhammad; his teachings and his deeds due to their biased approach, I would like they love Jesus and Mary as a first stage; and when their eyes are used to see, Jesus and Mary would introduced them and lead them to the great man Muhammad .

Perhaps they understand!

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:31 pm
by yeezevee
paarsurrey says about Muhammad., he seem to have forgotten to add Prophet..PBUH...SA.. to Prophet Muhammad., being Muslim that is not right dear paarsurrey., you say
Hi friends

The Atheists Agnostics and Christian posters have collaborated in this forum only to use hate words against Muhammad; who died 1400 years ago; never they thought as to how meaningless it is for them to use such hate words against a person who died 1400 years ago.
and I say

"Hi friends

The Atheists Agnostics and Christian posters have indeed collaborated in this forum to use right words that tell the truth to educate people of this little planet about Prophet of Islam.. Founder of Islam, a pagan to born with Mr. Muhammad. Yes Mr. Muhammad died 1400 years ago.. But his GHOSTS walk & control the political..social economical religious status of millions people on this earth even today in the 21st century. And these Ghosts use Mr. Muhammad and his political ideology disguised in the name Allah/God to control and do such horrible activities as slitting throats of people and bombing innocents on the roads who disagree with these Muhammad following robots.

Hence educating about Muhammad and his criminal activities during his time and criminal activities of his followers from the history of Islam to today's Islam is very much meaningful and very much needed now although Muhammad died 1400 years ago. For the sake present & future humanity such education is needed for Muslims and non-muslims about a CRIMINAL MINDED nut case Mr. Muhammad .. the Prophet of Islam and a SODOM ( sex obsessed dirty old man), who was never a prophet but lair and a con man.

And my good wishes to our good friend Mr. paarsurrey, Perhaps he and others like him will understand the reasosn to expose nut case like Prophet Muhammad.

And I too love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
yeezevee

Am I right?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:06 pm
by paarsurrey
A poster here wrote:

Mr. paarsurrey, Perhaps he and others like him will understand the reason to expose


Yes, I and persons like me understand the Atheists Agnostics are exposed as also their blame game. They are not men with any high principles,in my opinion. They are just hate mongers against Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If a Muslim anywhere in the world commits a wrong; all its blame is thrown on Quran/Islam/Muhammad, though Quran/Islam/Muhammad never authorized such a person to do such condemnable acts in the first place; in the past, in the present or in future. If a Christian does it; it is his/her personal fault; Christianity is not held at fault. And the Atheists Agnostics in the past, present and future are all innocent people ; even if they had had killed millions. Please quote any examples, if I am wrong.

Am I right?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Am I right?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:56 am
by kuffar1
paarsurrey wrote:
Mr. paarsurrey, Perhaps he and others like him will understand the reason to expose


Yes, I and persons like me understand the Atheists Agnostics are exposed as also their blame game. They are not men with any high principles,in my opinion. They are just hate mongers against Quran/Islam/Muhammad.


In my opinion, your blanket statement doesn't hold much weight. There are plenty enough Atheists and Agnostics that have high principles if you were to investigate. One doesn't have to hate to reject the non-rational. And by the way, how do you explain stories of angels, djinns, and flying buraqs?

Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:07 pm
by paarsurrey
flying buraqs?


Hi friends

Please quote the text of the verse of Quran where flying buraqs are mentioned. Please don't forget to mention the usual context of the verse which consists of five preceding and five following verses for meaningful discussion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:32 pm
by LCD
Kafirist wrote:

All religions are evil. Especially Christianity and Islam. Jesus and Muhammad were both crazy.



So apart from you just blurting out that Jesus was crazy, what's your evidence?

This is why Athiests are irrational. They just blurt stuff out, and others are expected to just eat it.

Anti-Jesus is so easy for athiest. They can't attack him rationally because they know his record stands up to scruityn so they just blurt out stuff like this.

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:37 pm
by kuffar1
paarsurrey wrote:
flying buraqs?


Hi friends

Please quote the text of the verse of Quran where flying buraqs are mentioned. Please don't forget to mention the usual context of the verse which consists of five preceding and five following verses for meaningful discussion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


I don't believe it's mentioned in the Quran. It's in hadith relating to the "Night Journey".

What about angels and jinns?

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:09 pm
by paarsurrey
flying buraqs?

I don't believe it's mentioned in the Quran.

What about angels and jinns?


So, there is no mention of any buraqs in Quran, the first and foremost source of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Would you please let us know as to what you understand from jinns?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:18 am
by kuffar1
paarsurrey wrote:
flying buraqs?

I don't believe it's mentioned in the Quran.

What about angels and jinns?


So, there is no mention of any buraqs in Quran, the first and foremost source of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Would you please let us know as to what you understand from jinns?



Granted not much. I think a jinn is a supernatural being in Islamic tradition that has the power to possess the body of a human. Is that wrong?

Could I ask what you understand from angels?

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:14 am
by paarsurrey
Hi friends

You mean there was no concept of Jinn in the human beings before Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:22 am
by kuffar1
paarsurrey wrote:Hi friends

You mean there was no concept of Jinn in the human beings before Quran/Islam/Muhammad.



No, that's not what I said nor what I meant. I think it's likely that there was a concept of Jinn in human beings before Quaran/Islam/Muhammad. I know there was a concept of angels before, as well. What's your point?

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:30 am
by paarsurrey
Hi friend

My point is; what is your concept of Jinn irrespective of Quran/Islam/Muhammad?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:39 pm
by yeezevee
paarsurrey says
My point is; what is your concept of Jinn irrespective of Quran/Islam/Muhammad?
dear paarsurrey first of all , I would like to you to tell that Allah reveled me to tell you this

"Ohyeeee paarsurrey.. Learn learn to write to respect Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). It is MUST for you as a Muslim to respect Prophet Muhammad ALL THE TIMES., "

other wise Allah says "HE".. the dick head will send you .." THE SINNER paarsurrey ".. the jinns in to your life., Now this mistake of not respecting Prophet Muhammad(PBUH).. you are doing again & again in FFI . I ask you why? & argue you to repent

For that you read these verses ...read them 5 times a day.,
Ta Seen Meem.[Al Quran ; 28:1]

Ta Seen, [Al Quran ; 27:1]

Ta Seen Meem [Al Quran ; 26:1]

Ta Ha. [Al Quran ; 20:1]

Kaf Ha Ya Ein Sad. [Al Quran ; 19:1]

Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 15:1]

Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 14:1]

Alif, Lam, Mim, Ra. [Al Quran ; 13:1]

Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 12:1]

Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 11:1]

Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 10:1]

Alif Lam Meem Sad.[Al Quran ; 7:1]

Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 3:1]

Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 2:1]


indeed These are the signs of the Book of wisdom book., So take that wisdom write 5 verses below and above of the verses you are reading in the Quotes and don't forget to write write THE CONTEXT on those verses dear paarsurrey..

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:07 pm
by kuffar1
paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend

My point is; what is your concept of Jinn irrespective of Quran/Islam/Muhammad?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


I think the concept of jinns as supernatural beings is nonsense.

Thanks for asking.

Do you think otherwise?

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:23 am
by Ram
planck wrote:I merely pointed out an obvious fact that I've observed on this forum. From a western perspective, it's somewhat odd and a little peculiar for some fervent hindus to despise christianity---but that's precisely why I mentioned it. So that it could be explained

Hindus in general do not despise Christianity. On the contrary you have hate mongering Christian preachers who spread venom against not only Hinduism but as well Hindus as people. The Pope is the biggest hatemonger who openly has proclaimed that Hindus are going to hell. Do you call that love for Hindus?

Christian preachers like Benny Hinn and Frank Graham who go to India - while on Indian soil where majority of people are Hindus, openly preach hatred of Hindus, preaching that Hindus deserve to go to hell. Can you give me a name of one single Hindu preacher in the USA who condemns Christianity and proclaims that Christians are going to hell?

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:32 am
by Ram
paarsurrey wrote:The Atheists Agnostics and Christian posters have collaborated in this forum only to use hate words against Muhammad; who died 1400 years ago; never had they thought as to how meaningless it is for them to use such hate words against a person who died 1400 years ago.

We condemn Muhammad because Muslims follow his example even today and commit horrible crimes in his name. Look at what is happening to Christians and Sikhs in Pakistan. Look at what is happening to Copts in Egypt. Pedophilia is legal in Muslim countries, do you know why? I tell you why. It is because Muhammad had sex with a nine year child whose name was Ayesha when he was 56 year old - old enough to be her grandfather. We will stop condemning Muhammad if you stop following his example.

If Muhammad were alive today he would be hunted down and killed. If he were a head of a state today he would be tried as a war criminal.

Re: Has FaithFreedom Changed into Plain Old Anti-Religion?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:50 am
by planck
Ram wrote:Hindus in general do not despise Christianity.

I didn't state all hindus, just the more fervent ones who are on this forum.

Ram wrote:On the contrary you have hate mongering Christian preachers who spread venom against not only Hinduism but as well Hindus as people. The Pope is the biggest hatemonger who openly has proclaimed that Hindus are going to hell. Do you call that love for Hindus?

Christian preachers like Benny Hinn and Frank Graham who go to India - while on Indian soil where majority of people are Hindus, openly preach hatred of Hindus, preaching that Hindus deserve to go to hell. Can you give me a name of one single Hindu preacher in the USA who condemns Christianity and proclaims that Christians are going to hell?

And you forgot that christians colonized India and robbed them of their wealth making them a third world country today. And either:
1) invented the cruel caste system that hindus didn't have before the arrival of the tea company.

or

2) the christians prolonged the caste system that already existed and failed to do anything to get rid of it.

Yes, yes....I've heard it before.

but thanks for making my initial assertion self-evident, once again.