We will see Demise of islam in our own lifetime

[apostate]

Dear Readers,

This is regarding Ali Sina's claim that we will see the demise of Islam in our own lifetime. I agree that things he had questioned about Islam are quite logical and prove Islam to be a illogical belief and Mohammad a beast but I truly dont see this sweet dream of his to be logical and coming true in any near future. My Logic being for this belief being:

1) Islamist from all over the world use visual & news media to spread Islam and in compared to them sina is using Internet which currently only 25% of the world population uses. Out of this internet using community, only 5% knows about this site. Majority of Muslims who do come to know about this site simply ignore it and continue with their belief in Islam.

2) Many new people converting to Islam following the cheap tricks of Islamist without knowing the real true brutal face of Islam.

3) Muslim population itself growing due to more child birth rates.

From the first two points, it is clear that more people are coming into islam them leaving it. And overall muslim population is growing.

Though Sina's mission is noble but I dont see his vision coming true as he claims. I wanted the comments of the fellow readers on what they think in this regard.

Regards,
Apostate

[paarsurrey]

Apostate wrote:

We will see Demise of Islam in our own lifetime

Hi friends

As per the system of successor-ship mentioned in Quran, the above is not going to happen, for sure:

[24:52] The response of the believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is only that they say: ‘We hear and we obey.’ And it is they who will prosper.
[24:53] And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and takes Him as a shield for protection, it is they who will be successful.
[24:54] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that, if thou command them, they will surely go forth. Say, ‘Swear not; what is required is actual obedience in what is right. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.’
[24:55] Say, ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger.’ But if you turn away, then upon him is his burden, and upon you is your burden. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the messenger is not responsible but for the plain delivery of the Message.

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.
[24:58] Think not that those who disbelieve can frustrate Our plan in the earth; their abode is Hell; and it is indeed an evil resort.
[24:59] O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and those of you who have not attained to puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your presence: before the morning Prayer, and when you take off your clothes at noon in summer, and after the night Prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. At times other than these there is no blame on you or on them, for they have to move about waiting upon you, some of you attending upon others. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[24:60] And when the children among you attain to puberty, they too should ask permission, even as those mentioned before them asked permission. Thus does Allah make plain to you His commandments; and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh ... 4&verse=50

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908; the dark age of Islam is ended and Islam has taken a new turn as prophesized by Muhammad himself.

Islam would spread to the corners of the Earth as revealed on the Second Coming 1835-1908 very peacefully and with bright arguments convincing everybody on this planet to the fold of Islam.

We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[yeezevee]

paarsurrey

...We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

and we are not worried about Muslims like you and Muslims that follow Mr. Muhammad dear paarsurrey. But we are only worried about Political Islam and criminal activities in the name of Islam. We also welcome you all to understand Muhammad's cult and cultish behavior + attitude of those who follow Muhammad and his Islam dear paarsurrey

Yes indeed you are welcome to home and I too love Jesus and Mary that are mentioned in Quran that is copy pasted from other sources of that time. But that buck stops there., it doesn't go to Muhammad..Mr. PBUH

with best
yeezevee

[paarsurrey]

Hi friends

This campaign of winning of hearts with rational, reasonable and logical arguments as mentioned in Quran has been explained by the Second Coming- The Promised Messiah - The Imam Mahdi 1835-1908 in his book Lath-e-Islam or Opening hearts\ for Islam. This is all peaceful and, you will be pleased to learn,that with the grace of the Creator- God Allah YHWH this will be accomplished in a matter of 300 years from his advent.

You will also be pleased to learn that we are completing this campaign progressively till now and it will be completed as it is destined by the Creator.

You may if you like access this small book "Victory of Islam" (pdf) at:

http://www.alislam.org/books/

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Hi friends

This campaign of winning of hearts with rational, reasonable and logical arguments as mentioned in Quran has been explained by the Second Coming- The Promised Messiah - The Imam Mahdi 1835-1908 in his book Lath-e-Islam or Opening hearts\ for Islam. This is all peaceful and, you will be pleased to learn,that with the grace of the Creator- God Allah YHWH this will be accomplished in a matter of 300 years from his advent.

You will also be pleased to learn that we are completing this campaign progressively till now and it will be completed as it is destined by the Creator.

You may if you like access this small book "Victory of Islam" (pdf) at:

http://www.alislam.org/books/

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[paarsurrey]

Hi friend

It is a good news. I thought you will be happy to know it as this is going to be peaceful and with convincing with reason. I don't understand as to why you should oppose it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Hi friend

It is a good news. I thought you will be happy to know it as this is going to be peaceful and with convincing with reason. I don't understand as to why you should oppose it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Because your Quran is NOT peaceful and Ahmadis do not represent the views of the majority of Muslims but are only a tiny sect and because we have no evidence of the ACTUAL peacefulness of Ahmadi Islam as it has never been in a position of power - and is never likely to be. Your dawa-spamming is merely a distraction from the battle against the REAL Islam; and your Great Leader was a corrupt man just like Mohammad.

[paarsurrey]

Because your Quran is NOT peaceful and Ahmadis do not represent the views of the majority of Muslims but are only a tiny sect and because we have no evidence of the ACTUAL peacefulness of Ahmadi Islam as it has never been in a position of power - and is never likely to be. Your dawa-spamming is merely a distraction from the battle against the REAL Islam; and your Great Leader was a corrupt man just like Mohammad.

Hi friend Brendalee

So, you get interested when somebody comes into power, not without that. Please tell us the names of Atheists Agnostics from the history of mankind when they came into power and in which lands so that we could compare their character and performance with Jesus or Moses who were Theists. You side with Christians, though Jesus never came to power.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Possibly you should read more slowly and carefully. Let me give you an example of what I am trying to express to you:

You are an Ahmadi Muslim who tells me Ahmadis are peaceful. All other Islamic sects I have seen are violent. Even some of the so-called "Peaceful" sufis had their bloodsoaked jihads.

Ahmadis do not matter to me. They are not in a position to harm me or my country. They are no threat. Their tiny numbers and the hostility of the Muslim world means they are too weak and vulnerable to be a threat.

You Ahmadis want to be trusted to prove your peacefulness - but you could only prove it if you had large enough numbers to be threatening or peaceful according to your CHOICE and NOT just because you are not strong enough to be anything except peaceful. Right now, your sect is not strong enough to be anything EXCEPT peaceful, so your words are meaningless.

What we all do know is that Ahmadis - just like all other Islamic sects - have the Quran as the book of their religion. And it is a worthless and violent book which adds nothing good to mankind but rather offers hatred and division.

And we know your Founder was something of a slimeball.

So far then, the evidence that Ahmadis would be any more peaceful than any other Islamic sect IF they had any power, is far from favourable in my eyes.

Here you are desperately trying to increase your tiny numbers by trying to do dawa on an anti Islam site - as you previously did apparently on a Catholic site. That shows a certain amount of distain and disrespect, despite your insincere calling everyone "friend". Just like you insincerely praised atheists and agnostics on one thread while you were accusing them of being the worlds worst mass murderers on another thread. If you were sincere as you pretend to be then you would not be doing your dawa on an anti Islam site, you would be instead on Muslim forums trying to reform Islam, the religion you supposedly love, and trying to save it from the "radicals" and their violent "interpretation".

So I will oppose you and your dawa spamming just as I oppose any other promoter of Islam here.

When a tiger is a tiny cub, it is a danger to no one. When it grows up, it can turn on you and kill you in a flash. But you are no tiger cub. You are a schemer and I do not underestimate you.

As to my religious beliefs, as I do not subscribe to any organised religion, you have no idea. And since I do not seek to convert YOU to it, it is none of your concern.

[paarsurrey]

Hi friends

This is not a political forum; It is a faith oriented forum. Here we discuss issues/principles from the root books; we don't discuss things in terms of small numbers or large numbers.

Politics is another things; that is being played in the field by the politicians, diplomats and the rulers.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Hi friends

This is not a political forum; It is a faith oriented forum. Here we discuss issues/principles from the root books; we don't discuss things in terms of small numbers or large numbers.

Politics is another things; that is being played in the field by the politicians, diplomats and the rulers.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Hi Dawa Spammer:

Why do you speak of politics? I was talking very specifically about your faith: ISLAM
I was talking very specifically about your faith again: AHMADI Islam.
I was talking very specifically about your faith yet again: Your claim that your faith is "peaceful"
I was talking very specifically about your faith further: Your dawa attempts to enlarge your Ahmadi Islamic faith.

[yeezevee]

dear Brendalee let me answer our good friend paarsurrey.,

paarsurrey says

Politics is another things; that is being played in the field by the politicians, diplomats and the rulers.

Yes Politics is another thing., But Islam is nothing but politics dear paarsurrey., Let me give you the names of stalwarts of Islam that are nothing but politicians, diplomats and the rulers.. Brutes., Rogues , SEX OBSESSED RASCALS rolled in one..

Muhammad Holy Prophet of Islam (571-632) this is what he did in the last 13 years of his 63 years life:

621: First pledge at Aqaba.
622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
623: Nakhla expedition.
624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
632: Death of the Holy Prophet.

I left out the looting & thuggery by him & his followers in the first two years of his insane Islamic onslaught on people in & around Mecca after the death his first wife Khadija..

Hadrat Abu Bakr becomes Caliph in the year 632: Mr. PBUH's father in-law, father of Muhammad's most beloved wife, 9 year old'Aisha. This IDIOT gave away his 9 year child to dirty old man trickery., He was 2 or 3 years younger than Muhammad

Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr.

So this guy the 2nd man in Islam is another warlord of terror, he terrorized people of middle east in & around pagan Arabia in those 13 years of Islam along with his Son in-law Mr. Muhammad and another three more years. After Mohammad death, the leadership of the Umma (Muslim Community) was taken up by Abu Bakr, who took the title Caliph. This title, which means "successor," indicates that he was the successor to the Prophet of God. This means that he claimed all Mohammad's political and administrative power, and that he became the religious leader. Arabian pagans were completely dismembered , Jews & Christians were thrown out under Islam during his leadership..

The Hadrat FOOL Abu BAKHRA, the Caliph send Usamah to lead expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima. were successful fought by Usamah. ( Our Usamah apparently was son of a freed slave under whom Mr. Prophet had organized an army to fight Roman Army.. After Hadrat Abu BAKHRA Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph

Year 634 Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.

Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan.Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar.

This guy was ANOTHER BRUTE of Islam he lived 12 years after the death of prophet Islam., This hoodlum terrorized middle east 25 years of his life., This so called Islamic hero was nothing but a brute and a womanizer

Before his conversion to Islam, Umar had three wives. They were:

1. Zainab bint Mazaun Jamiah;
2. Malaika bint Jarul Khuzai; and
3. Qariba bint Umayya Makhzumi.

When Umar was converted to Islam, Zainab alone accepted Islam. After the Hudaybiah pact when God sent the words that Muslims should not marry idolatresses, Umar divorced Malaika and Qariba.

After the Hudaybiah-pact the first Muslim woman who fled from the Quraish and sought shelter with the Muslims was Sabiha bint Al-Haris. Her husband did not accept Islam. When the Quraish came to demand the restoration of Sabiha, the Holy Prophet refused to return her saying that the condition in the pact applied to men only and not to women. The Holy Prophet had Sabiha married to Umar.

In Madina, Umar married an Ansar lady Asiah bint Sabat Ansari. On marriage Umar changed her name to Jamila. Umar resided with her at Quba, and it is reported that there was great love between Umar and Jamila. A few years later Umar divorced her and shifted to Madina.

'Atika bint Zaid was a cousin of Umar. She was married to 'Abdullah a son of Abu Bakr. When her husband died, Atika felt very disconsolate. In sympathy, Umar married her in the first year of his caliphate.

Umm Hakim was the wife of 'Ikramah the son of Abu Jakl. 'Ikramah died fighting and thereafter Umm Hakim married Khalid bin Sa'id. Khalid bin Sa'id was also martyred on the Syrian front. Umm Hakim doubly bereaved was much grieved, and Umar consoled her by marrying her.

In 639 A.D., Umar married Umm Kulsum the daughter of 'Ali and Fatima. Till his death in 644 A D., Umm Kulsum remained his favorite wife.

Besides these wives, Umar had two slave girls who bore him children. These were Fakiah and Layiah.

After Hadrat BRUTE Umar gets killed in hands of Muslims themselves in the year 644 Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph., My man Othman terrorizes people another 11 years after that Hadrat BRUTE Umar and he too gets killed in the hands of Muslim

Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman.

After that Hadrat Othman murder Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. So we have 3 father in-laws and one son-law of Mr. PUBH ruled Islam so far and here is Hadrat Ali life fighting Muslims .. Shia- Sunni business started here

Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662: Khawarij revolts.

My man Hadrat Ali WAS A DOG...here is his wives and life..

Wives and children of Hadrat Ali

The principal wife of Hadrat Ali was Hadrat Fatima, the favourite daughter of the holy Prophet. During the lifetime of Hadrat Fatima, Hadrat Ali at one stage proposed to marry a daughter of Abu Jahl. When the holy Prophet came to know of this proposal, he became annoyed and declared that if Hadrat Ali wanted to marry another wife, he should divorce Hadrat Fatima first. Thereupon Hadrat Ali abandoned the idea of marrying another wife. Hadrat Fatima was the mother of three sons and two daughters. The sons were Hasan, Hussain, and Mohsin. Mohsin died during childhood. The daughters were Zainab and Umm Kulthum.

After the death of Hadrat Fatima, Hadrat Ali married a number of wives. They were:

(1) Umm-ul-Bunian who was the daughter of Hazam b. Khalid. Hadrat Ali had five sons from her, namely: Abdullah, Jafar, Abbas, Othman, and Umar. All of them except Abbas were martyred in the battle of Karbala along with Hadrat Hussain.

(2) Khaula was the daughter of Jafar Hanfiyah. She was the mother of the son known as Muhammad b. Hanfiyah.

(3) Umm Habib who was the daughter of Rabiah. She gave birth to a son Umar, in the daughter Ruqiya.

(4) Asma who was the daughter of Umais. She was in the first instance married to Hadrat Jafar, an elder brother of Hadrat Ali. On the death of Hadrat Jafar, Hadrat Abu Bakr married her. After the death of Hadrat Abu Bakr she married Hadrat Ali. She had to sons from Hadrat Ali, namely: Yahya and Muhammad Asghar.

(5) Laila who was the daughter of Masud. She was the mother of two sons, namely Ubaidullah and Abu Bakr.

(6) Umama who was a daughter of Abi Al Aa's and Hadrat Zainab and elder sister of Hadrat Fatima. Her son from Hadrat Ali bore the name of Muhammad Awsat.

(7) Umm Saeed who was a daughter of Urwa. She bore Hadrat Ali two daughters, namely: Umm-ul-Hasan and Rumia.

(8) Muhyat was a daughter of the famous Arab poet Imra-ul-Qais. She gave birth to a daughter who expired in infancy.

Hadrat Ali married nine wives in all including Hadrat Fatima. The number of wives at a time however did not exceed four.

He had a few slave girls of whom Humia and Umm Shuaib bore him 12 daughters, Nafisa, Zainab, Ruqiya, Umm-ul-Karaam, Humaira, Umm Salma, Sughra, Khadija, Umm Hani, Umm Kulthum Jamana and Maimuna. Hadrat Ali was, in all, the father of 15 sons and 18 daughters. [total = 33 children]

So dearest paarsurrey that is the story of Early Islam from from the day Khadija(Ra) died that is year 619 to the day The son-in law of Mr. PUBH killed that is year 661. which is little more than 40 years of Islam .,

Now what do I see in those 40 years of early Islam??

I don't see any Allah, I don't see any God in Islam, ., what I see is brutes and a Clan war of Brutes + FOOLS becoming Muslims for the sake Booty and looting. That is what I see and that is what you have in early Islam. So where is Allah? where is God in Islam dear paarsurrey ??

with best wishes
yeezevee

[paarsurrey]

I don't see any Allah, I don't see any God in Islam,

Hi frind yeezevee

May be your insight is only in worldy and material affairs which are depicted as Left Eye while the Right Eye of seeing Ethical, Moral and Spiritual issues is much impaired, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

[kuffar1]

I don't see any Allah, I don't see any God in Islam,

Hi frind yeezevee

May be your insight is only in worldy and material affairs which are depicted as Left Eye while the Right Eye of seeing Ethical, Moral and Spiritual issues is much impaired, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Perhaps you could enlighten us by highlighting ethical, moral, and spiritual points from the Qur'an? That is...those points not abrogated by later verses.

[paarsurrey]

Perhaps you could enlighten us by highlighting ethical, moral, and spiritual points from the Qur'an? That is...those points not abrogated by later verses.

Hi friend kuffar1

Thanks for your suggestion. I will be doing it here:

The purpose of the
Holy Quran was to elevate savages into men, and then to equip them
with moral qualities, and finally raise them to the level of godly
persons. The Holy Quran thus comprehends all those three projects.


Before I embark upon a detailed exposition of the threefold reforms
that I have just mentioned, it is necessary to point out that there is no
teaching in the Holy Quran which is imposed by compulsion. The
whole purpose of the Quran is the three reforms, and all its teachings
are directed towards that end. All other directions are the means for
the achievement of those reforms.

As sometimes a surgeon has to
perform an operation in order to restore the patient to normal health,
or has to apply an ointment, in the same way the teachings of the
Quran, out of sympathy for mankind, have recourse to such means
also. The purpose of all Quranic insights and admonitions and
directions is to raise man from his natural condition of barbarity to a
moral state, and then to lift him from that state to the limitless ocean
of spirituality.

We have already stated that natural conditions are not something
distinct from moral conditions. When they are regulated and are used
on their proper occasions, under the direction of reason, they acquire a
moral character. Before they are controlled by reason and
understanding they have not the character of moral qualities, but are
natural impulses, however much they might resemble moral qualities.

For instance, if a dog or lamb displays affection or docility towards its
master it would not be described as moral or good-mannered. In the
same way a wolf or a tiger would not be described as ill-mannered on
account of its wildness. A moral state emerges after reflection and
regard for time and occasion come into play. A person who does not
exercise reason and deliberation is like a child whose mind and
intellect are not yet governed by reason, or is like a madman who has
lost his reason and good sense.

A child or a mad man sometimes
behaves in a manner that has the appearance of moral action, but no
sensible person calls such conduct moral, as such conduct does not
proceed from good sense and appropriateness, but is a natural reaction
to the circumstances. A human infant, as soon as it is born, seeks its
mother's breasts, and a chicken, as soon as it is hatched begins to pick
up corn. In the same way the spawn of a leech behave like a leech, a
baby serpent behaves like a serpent and a tiger cub behaves like a tiger.

A human infant begins to exhibit human reactions as soon as it is born
and those reactions become more and more remarkable as it begins to
grow up. For instance, its weeping becomes louder, and its smiles
become laughter, and its gaze becomes more concentrated. At the age
of a year or eighteen months it develops another natural trait: it begins
to display its pleasure and displeasure through its movements and tries
to strike someone or to give something to someone.

All these motions
are natural impulses. Similarly a barbarian who possesses little human
sense is like such an infant and displays natural impulses in his words,
actions and movements and is governed by his natural emotions.
Nothing proceeds from him in consequence of the exercise of his
inner faculties. Whatever surges up from his inside under the
operation of a natural impulse and as a reaction to external stimuli,
becomes manifest.

It is possible that his natural impulses that are
exhibited as a reaction to an external stimulus may not all be vicious,
and some might resemble good morals, but they are normally not the
consequences of reasonable reflection and consideration, and even if
they are to some degree so motivated they cannot be relied upon on
account of the domination of natural impulses.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Ph ... -Islam.pdf

I will be doing it passage by passage from the above treaise by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. One may like to access it;it is a good read.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Thanks

[Brendalee]

Dawa Spammer: You were asked for Quranic evidence of ethical moral and spiritual points.

You ignored that and instead present us with one of your apologetic essays, which is pure SPAM and has nothing to do with what you were asked.

If your Ahmadi sect were truly convinced of your own (unproven) "peaceful" and correct interpretation of the Quran then you should be trying to sort out the mess made by your "erroneous" brothers. Instead you seek to add numbers to an already massively screwed up Islam by trying to recruit from kaffirs at FFI.

[Lyzandra Daria]

Dear Readers,

This is regarding Ali Sina's claim that we will see the demise of Islam in our own lifetime. I agree that things he had questioned about Islam are quite logical and prove Islam to be a illogical belief and Mohammad a beast but I truly dont see this sweet dream of his to be logical and coming true in any near future. My Logic being for this belief being:

1) Islamist from all over the world use visual & news media to spread Islam and in compared to them sina is using Internet which currently only 25% of the world population uses. Out of this internet using community, only 5% knows about this site. Majority of Muslims who do come to know about this site simply ignore it and continue with their belief in Islam.

2) Many new people converting to Islam following the cheap tricks of Islamist without knowing the real true brutal face of Islam.

3) Muslim population itself growing due to more child birth rates.

From the first two points, it is clear that more people are coming into islam them leaving it. And overall muslim population is growing.

Though Sina's mission is noble but I dont see his vision coming true as he claims. I wanted the comments of the fellow readers on what they think in this regard.

Regards,
Apostate

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Point #1...I concede. I don't believe most Muslims are literate enough to understand and use the Internet anyway.

Point #2...I somewhat concede. It might be possible that those 'converts' will 'revert' or perhaps even bring a new dimension to Islam which will 'improve' the religion and bring it out of the 7th century. At least one can hope.

Point #3...I don't concede. Even if they are breeding like rabbits, the survival rates aren't that great for new borns. Even if they survive, their health is marginalized by the living conditions. That includes being blown up by murderer/bombers when their mothers take them to market. If they aren't then sold by their parents into slavery and used as murder/bombers, they might make it to puberty. However, finding a mate with which to procreate is going to be problemmatic...because girls have much less 'value' in that society. The young girls being 'married' to old coots are setting themselves on fire. Suicides among females will only, IMO, increase. Whether they just kill themselves rather than become the sexual tool of some old man or agree to become murderer/bombers and kill other Muslims is to be determined.

I don't necessarily agree with Ali Sina...that Islam will 'devolve' or be somehow eliminated in 'our lifetime' (whatever that means). But, Islam must 'evolve' if it has any hope of surviving into the next century, IMO. I don't see that happening.
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[ColonialRustic]

The purpose of the Holy Quran was to elevate savages into men, and then to equip them with moral qualities, and finally raise them to the level of godly
persons...
(Blithering spam excised)

...The purpose of all Quranic insights and admonitions and directions is to raise man from his natural condition of barbarity to a
moral state, and then to lift him from that state to the limitless ocean of spirituality...

(more blithering spam and unrelated analogies excised)

It has been my experience that Islam turns men into savages. It's theology is carefully crafted to leave the human soul spiritually stunted. It destroys all rational and critical judgment in its followers and leaves them open to all manner of evil influences. It encourages poverty in he communities that follow Islam, as well as cultural destruction.

Islam does not elevate, but rather debases mankind. We have to look at either the long march of history or any number of current events for evidence.

You spamming is a waste of time here. Preach this stuff to the ignorant. You might be able to sell it there.