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Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:32 pm
by Mr Preet
iffo wrote:Obviously you don't have a clue about Quran. You perhaps read few paragraphs here and there and have taken them out of context like your other hatemongers friends do to promote your propagenda.


Say that to your beloved murderer-paedo prophet who showed you how to live out true Islam!

Quran does not advocate killing innocents, blowing buildings, kidnapping, killing priests, what nonsense you taking about.


The nonsense is your evil quran.

Quran teaches to fight only if you oppressed. Love your neighbours, treat salaves nice, respect and kind to your parents, help the poor, be nice to orphans, don't force women to marry, feed the hungry, be humble and list goes on .....


That looks like Islam's wish-list. People long before the coming of the paedo prophet have been doing that.

Mr Preet your hate will not take you no where, when it comes to hate you guys are as bad as islamic terrorists, only difference they are blowing themselves up. There is no place for hate spreaders in todays world.


Our 'hate' comes from us, mortal and sinful as we are whereas yours comes from on-high. Doing and living that hatred is divine deed to you.


Preet wait for the day when your daughter will say "Assalam O Aleikam dad", Islam is knocking at your door. She will be ours, she will be our sister leaving you and your hate alone.


That's very unlikely. With more and more of Islam's lies being exposed even your own will be Atheists. The world is getting matured by the years. You may see the churchs/temples and synagogues getting empty but look at the values of these people as a whole. They fight not only to uphold justice for themselves but for whales, tigers, salmons and trees. Marry off your 9-year olds and you land in prison for child abuse! Engage your child to help you in your works and you'll be in for trouble. Religion has run its course successfully. Islam is not a religion but a cult. It's death is going to be more violent and fast.

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:32 pm
by Mr Preet
(Deleted ....Double post, sorry) :D

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:49 pm
by Wootah
Quran teaches to fight only if you oppressed. Love your neighbours, treat salaves nice, respect and kind to your parents, help the poor, be nice to orphans, don't force women to marry, feed the hungry, be humble and list goes on .....


The underlined part IS the problem. Deciding whether you are oppressed or not is just an opinion. You can be a working man and feel oppressed by the 'system', you can be in another country and feel oppressed by Americans, you might want a bigger house and feel oppressed by the banks that won't lend you money, you might see a Western woman and feel oppressed about the societies sexual standards. The list goes on.

If when oppressed your only response was the rest of what you said, you might be in a religion of peace.

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:33 am
by kenmirzz
There are lot of idiotic Imams you can not gernalize that. Also If Imam is saying not to follow western culture and stick to you Islamic traditions that's not hate. I have heard this many times, thats not hate. You guys asusual trying to exaggerate and twist things.
With all due respect I always doubt that you ever was muslim..... even though you claimed you finished Quran 5 times..


Mr Iffo, my first khatm when I was 15 years old. Since then, I had been reciting the Quran after Maghrib and Isya for 13 years. Imagine how many times I have finished reciting the whole book with Tajwid. I don't care whether you believe it or not.

You mean most of the Imam are idiotic? When the Imam was condemning the Unbelievers to endless perdition, that's not hatred and bigotry to you? You guys always live in fear and denial even when you openly witnessed some problematic teachings in the Quran. I called a spade a spade. When the Imams hypocritically insulting people of other faiths, my deep inner conscience rebelled.

I ask you again, what Islam has to offer to this world? Forget about Western culture for a while. There are many other cultures out there that not Western, yet not Islamic either. Islam is a tool of Arabic imperialism, this is as clear as the sun. Don't tell me you don't accept the fact that praying in Arabic is more afdhal or recommended even if it's outside namaaz(salaat). Why must everything be in Arabic when we have human of other origin in this world? This is totally unfair and absurd. I wonder how you can reconcile all these and yet still remain a Muslim.


Humanity is but one family. :)

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:24 pm
by Mr Preet
Wootah wrote:
Quran teaches to fight only if you oppressed. Love your neighbours, treat salaves nice, respect and kind to your parents, help the poor, be nice to orphans, don't force women to marry, feed the hungry, be humble and list goes on .....


The underlined part IS the problem. Deciding whether you are oppressed or not is just an opinion. You can be a working man and feel oppressed by the 'system', you can be in another country and feel oppressed by Americans, you might want a bigger house and feel oppressed by the banks that won't lend you money, you might see a Western woman and feel oppressed about the societies sexual standards. The list goes on.

If when oppressed your only response was the rest of what you said, you might be in a religion of peace.


It's suppossed to be "fight them if they fight you". Come to think of it THAT is not only human nature but animal's nature too. Fighting, revenge, retaliation is a vicious cycle of hatred, miseries and death. Didn't Allah know about that? Didn't a 'lesser' man taught about love 570 years before the coming of the paedo Prophet?

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:54 pm
by paarsurrey
A Poster wrote:
It's suppossed to be "fight them if they fight you". Come to think of it THAT is not only human nature but animal's nature too. Fighting, revenge, retaliation is a vicious cycle of hatred, miseries and death.


Hi friends

Were these battles fought by the Muslims or the Christians?

o 2.1 Early (508 BC – 274 BC)
 2.1.1 Early Italian campaigns (458–396 BC)
 2.1.2 Celtic invasion of Italia (390–387 BC)
 2.1.3 Expansion into Italia (343–282 BC)
 2.1.4 Pyrrhic War (280–275 BC)
o 2.2 Middle (274 BC – 148 BC)
 2.2.1 Punic Wars (264–146 BC)
 2.2.2 Conquest of the Iberian peninsula (218–19 BC)
 2.2.3 Macedon, the Greek poleis, and Illyria (215–148 BC)
o 2.3 Late (147 BC – 30 BC)
 2.3.1 Jugurthine War (111–104 BC)
 2.3.2 Resurgence of the Celtic threat (121 BC)
 2.3.3 New Germanic threat (113–101 BC)
 2.3.4 Internal unrest (135–71 BC)
 2.3.5 Conflicts with Mithridates (89–63 BC)
 2.3.6 Campaign against the Cilician pirates (67 BC)
 2.3.7 Caesar's early campaigns (59–50 BC)
 2.3.8 Triumvirates, Caesarian ascension, and revolt (53–30 BC)
• 3 Empire
o 3.1 Early to Middle (30 BC – 180 AD)
 3.1.1 Imperial expansion (40 BC – 117)
 3.1.2 Year of the Four Emperors (69)
 3.1.3 Jewish revolts (66–135)
 3.1.4 Struggle with Parthia (161–217)
o 3.2 Late (180 AD – 476 AD)
 3.2.1 Migration period (163–378)
 3.2.2 Usurpers (193–394)
 3.2.3 Struggle with the Sassanid Empire (230–363)
 3.2.4 Collapse of the Western Empire (402–476)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_h ... n_military

Were they followers of Jesus or not?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:12 pm
by Gabriel
paarsurrey wrote:
A Poster wrote:
It's suppossed to be "fight them if they fight you". Come to think of it THAT is not only human nature but animal's nature too. Fighting, revenge, retaliation is a vicious cycle of hatred, miseries and death.


Hi friends

Were these battles fought by the Muslims or the Christians?



Your posts get more shameful by the day, Parrsurrey. Judging by your latest series of posts, the "peaceful" Ahmadi wants to promote love by deflecting "hate" onto a different religion. :roll:

That is a very poor tu quoque. How many of these battles were led by Jesus? :thinking:

EDIT: I've only just looked at the list you provided; NO THEY WERE NOT CHRISTIANS. Most of those battles took place before the the birth of Jesus, and the Roman Empire was not Christian until 313 AD, so how could they be Christians? :???:

Paarsurrey, you're an absolute Moron.

Thanks.

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:24 pm
by iffo
Mr Preet
It's suppossed to be "fight them if they fight you". Come to think of it THAT is not only human nature but animal's nature too.


Look like your parents taught you if somone fight with you put your tail between your legs and run , or just let them abuse you, right??

kenmirzz
You mean most of the Imam are idiotic?



go back plz and read if i said most imams are idiotics.


kenmirzz
condemning the Unbelievers to endless perdition, that's not hatred and bigotry to you?


God hates people saying there is no god. I don't know how will they be treated, only god knows. Mostly when Quran talks about unbelievers it is talking about people Muhammad was dealing with.

kenmirzz
ask you again, what Islam has to offer to this world?

Islam make you hindus human did't it? You and your caste system, telling others human untouchables. Worshipping animals (cows, monkeys, snakes), burning women alive when their husband died, or sending them to brothels....
Killing daughters...go watch move "Water" and be pround of your culture.
Who you think you are kidding.

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:09 am
by paarsurrey
the Roman Empire was not Christian until 313 AD


Hi friend

I thank you for providing the above information.

So, you mean the Gothic War (535–554) was between the Christians; and Muslims (I am not sure about the Atheists, though) played no role in it. Did they fight under instructions from Jesus?

In my opinion the Christians believe Jesus is the King and is still living; Jesus must have played some role in it. Please edit me if I am wrong.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:23 am
by Gabriel
paarsurrey wrote:So, you mean the Gothic War (535–554) was between the Christians; and Muslims (I am not sure about the Atheists, though) played no role in it. Did they fight under instructions from Jesus?

In my opinion the Christians believe Jesus is the King and is still living;


And in your opinion the (many different) Christian concepts of Jesus are silly myths created by that evil Paul and the Church.

paarsurrey wrote:Jesus must have played some role in it. Please edit me if I am wrong.


Who cares what you say? A myth by itself cannot physically harm anyone, so you cannot accuse the historical Jesus of being guilty of them. You're really grabbing at straws with these fallacies.

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:29 pm
by Mr Preet
paarsurrey wrote:
A Poster wrote:
It's suppossed to be "fight them if they fight you". Come to think of it THAT is not only human nature but animal's nature too. Fighting, revenge, retaliation is a vicious cycle of hatred, miseries and death.


Hi friends

Were these battles fought by the Muslims or the Christians?

o 2.1 Early (508 BC – 274 BC)
 2.1.1 Early Italian campaigns (458–396 BC)
 2.1.2 Celtic invasion of Italia (390–387 BC)
 2.1.3 Expansion into Italia (343–282 BC)
 2.1.4 Pyrrhic War (280–275 BC)
o 2.2 Middle (274 BC – 148 BC)
 2.2.1 Punic Wars (264–146 BC)
 2.2.2 Conquest of the Iberian peninsula (218–19 BC)
 2.2.3 Macedon, the Greek poleis, and Illyria (215–148 BC)
o 2.3 Late (147 BC – 30 BC)
 2.3.1 Jugurthine War (111–104 BC)
 2.3.2 Resurgence of the Celtic threat (121 BC)
 2.3.3 New Germanic threat (113–101 BC)
 2.3.4 Internal unrest (135–71 BC)
 2.3.5 Conflicts with Mithridates (89–63 BC)
 2.3.6 Campaign against the Cilician pirates (67 BC)
 2.3.7 Caesar's early campaigns (59–50 BC)
 2.3.8 Triumvirates, Caesarian ascension, and revolt (53–30 BC)
• 3 Empire
o 3.1 Early to Middle (30 BC – 180 AD)
 3.1.1 Imperial expansion (40 BC – 117)
 3.1.2 Year of the Four Emperors (69)
 3.1.3 Jewish revolts (66–135)
 3.1.4 Struggle with Parthia (161–217)
o 3.2 Late (180 AD – 476 AD)
 3.2.1 Migration period (163–378)
 3.2.2 Usurpers (193–394)
 3.2.3 Struggle with the Sassanid Empire (230–363)
 3.2.4 Collapse of the Western Empire (402–476)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_h ... n_military

Were they followers of Jesus or not?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


Did they yell "Alleluia! Praise the Lord they are dead" ? Did they get their command from a Pope/Gospel?
You still can't tell the difference can you?

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:56 pm
by paarsurrey
[quote="Mr Preet] Did they get their command from a Pope/Gospel?
[/quote]

Hi friends

Gothic War (535–554) was between the Christians, in my opinion.

Those who fought this war; from whom did they get their command and what words did they speak?
If you know, please inform us.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:31 pm
by yeezevee
paarsurrey says
Hi friends

Gothic War (535–554) was between the Christians, in my opinion.

Those who fought this war; from whom did they get their command and what words did they speak?
well., just let our good friend paarsurrey know., that there were many wars between Christian & Christians ..and Muslims & Muslims., But please realize the reason Christians were at war because they WERE NOT following in the foot steps of Christ Where as Muhammad following Muslims were at war with-in Muslims and with others because they were following footsteps of Mr. Muhammad.. Prophet of Islam..

yeezevee

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:35 am
by paarsurrey
yeezevee wrote:But please realize the reason Christians were at war because they WERE NOT following in the foot steps of Christ.
Yeezevee


Hi friends

Please tell us if the Christians were not following Jesus at that time; were they following clever Paul at that time or the sinful Church or they followed doubting Atheists Agnostics of their time, if there were any Atheist Agnostic?

The respondents please tell us if you believe Jesus and Moses a truthful Messengers Prophets of the Creator -God Allah YHWH and Mary an obedient servant of Him.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:54 am
by yeezevee
Please tell us if the Christians were not following Jesus at that time ; were they following clever Paul
It is very much possible that some CHRISTIANS DO NOT FOLLOW CHRIST foot steps., If every Christian was like Jesus Christ Islam would have eliminated Christianity in the west similar to what it did in Middle East during Muhammad and in the times of Caliphas.. You can read the history all the way to Armenian Genocide

here take the links ... watch Movies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z9CeLBi64Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n_OywOzPcQ&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3r35ycecjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgg-_s-crU

And THESE TURKISH Brutes were MUSLIMS..

they following clever Paul
As far as YOUR HATRED towards Paul of Tarsus, also called Paul the Apostle, the Apostle Paul, or Saint Paul of Christianity is concerned

WRITE DOWN STORY OF Paul of Tarsus AND COMPARE IT WITH Mr. PBUH ., Mr. Muhammad will end up as the biggest criminal that you ever heard and Paul will be still Christian saint dear paarsurrey. And don't forget to watch those videos.. If you need I will give you Bangladesh Genocide by the Muslim soldiers of Pakistan also.. That is Muslims on Muslims..

yeezevee

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:44 pm
by Mr Preet
Saw this reply from iffo only today... :D

Look like your parents taught you if somone fight with you put your tail between your legs and run , or just let them abuse you, right??


Look iffo, if someone is hurting me I am not going to run, I am going to hurt him 'badder' than he hurt me. Yes this is human nature, even animals too BUT iffo even my late godless grandfather suggested negotiations and other means to solve the issue rather than to take the law into our own hand. Even kuffars's secular laws says not to take matter into our own hands. Jesus suggested even better solutions! But take a good long look at your Allah, he said fight if people fight you ...... what kind of a godly command is this??? Is it a command from hell? :x This can only mean that if I follow my own instinct and fight I ran foul of both Jesus' and our secular laws whereas if you do the same you're supposed to be divinely correct.... AND HOLY!!!

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:16 pm
by paarsurrey
if someone is hurting me I am not going to run, I am going to hurt him 'badder' than he hurt me. Yes this is human nature


This is what is practical , rational and natural.

[42:37] And whatever you have been given is only a temporary provision of this life, but that which is with Allah is better and more lasting for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord,
[42:38] And who eschew the more grievous sins and indecencies, and, when they are wroth, they forgive,
[42:39] And those who hearken to their Lord, and observe Prayer, and whose affairs are decided by mutual consultation, and who spend out of what We have provided for them,
[42:40] And those who, when a wrong is done to them, defend themselves.
[42:41] And the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof; but whoso forgives and his act brings about reformation, his reward is with Allah. Surely, He loves not the wrongdoers. [42:42] But there is no blame on those who defend themselves after they have been wronged.
[42:43] The blame is only on those who wrong men and transgress in the earth without justification. Such will have a grievous punishment.
[42:44] And he who is patient and forgives — that surely is a matter of strong determination.

http://www.*you_got_to_be_kidding*/quran/search2/sh ... 2&verse=36

Moses and Krishna did the same. Jesus' followers did not side with him and deserted him ;he alone could not fight with them.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:36 pm
by Mr Preet
paarsurrey wrote:
if someone is hurting me I am not going to run, I am going to hurt him 'badder' than he hurt me. Yes this is human nature


This is what is practical , rational and natural.

[42:37] And whatever you have been given is only a temporary provision of this life, but that which is with Allah is better and more lasting for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord,
[42:38] And who eschew the more grievous sins and indecencies, and, when they are wroth, they forgive,
[42:39] And those who hearken to their Lord, and observe Prayer, and whose affairs are decided by mutual consultation, and who spend out of what We have provided for them,
[42:40] And those who, when a wrong is done to them, defend themselves.
[42:41] And the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof; but whoso forgives and his act brings about reformation, his reward is with Allah. Surely, He loves not the wrongdoers. [42:42] But there is no blame on those who defend themselves after they have been wronged.
[42:43] The blame is only on those who wrong men and transgress in the earth without justification. Such will have a grievous punishment.
[42:44] And he who is patient and forgives — that surely is a matter of strong determination.

http://www.*you_got_to_be_kidding*/qura ... 2&verse=36

Moses and Krishna did the same. Jesus' followers did not side with him and deserted him ;he alone could not fight with them.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


You said :
he alone could not fight with them.


That's blasphemy for Jesus of the NT. Guess you were talking about Jesus as mentioned in the Quran

What I was trying to tell you all along is this paars : It is human to follow our instinct but it may not always be the correct thing to do and when it is destructive, vicious and sinful as in this case a god should not allow it.

Guess you are not peaceful after all..... :D

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:18 pm
by Respected Sheikh
All of you!

Shut up, unite, and join Islam!

Re: IGNORANCE

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:27 pm
by Respected Sheikh
All of you!

Shut up, unite and join Islam!