Religious affiliation of FFI members

[Asconian]

Religious affiliation of FFI members

1 ... 6, 7, 8by Ariel » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:06 pm

i dont understand it if athiesm were included as a religion in ariel's post, but i believed its not

[Mordegast]

Another vote for Buddhists

[ixolite]

Religious affiliation of FFI members

1 ... 6, 7, 8by Ariel » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:06 pm

i dont understand it if athiesm were included as a religion in ariel's post, but i believed its not

Here's your answer:
/viewtopic.php?p=57099&f=13#p57099

[IoshkaFutz]

Dear all.
A request from Brain. He wants to know the religious affiliation of FFI members, as he is trying to unblock the site from netnanny and few other content filter software. People there are arguing that we are not representing a wide spectrum of society and that only few Christian and Muslim fundamentalists visit the site.

So can you please cast your vote?

Thank you in advance.

Ariel.

Every time I see this thread, along with getting upset about all the Sikhs, Atheists, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Protestants, Wiccans, Muslims and others who don't belong to the one and only true religion of God, I wonder if we've made progress with this entity called Netnanny. If not why not?

As the thread is still alive and even kicking, my sensation is that we're still blocked.

What do they require to unblock us? More Sikhs? For the good of FFI, I offer up my religious affiliation to whatever serves the cause. It's called Taqqya (clever these Muslims!). Need a Sikh? Just dial my toll-free number. Need another in the "others" column? IoshkaFutz will publicly renounce his faith. I hope others are willing to sacrifice their allegiance as well. For me it could be disastrous. The guy upstairs doesn't like this kind of stuff.



But I'll be a martyr.

People there are arguing that we are not representing a wide spectrum.

This reasoning can be refuted by a snail and only defended by a college professor. It's absolutely vile and wrongminded and oppressive. But never mind.

If instead we're unblocked, then never mind and sorry for the disturbance.

[Rashna]

No zoroastrians.

I am a Zoroastrian, I am born into a half Muslim, half Zoroastrian family. I have chosen Zoroastrianism as my religion & decided to speak up against Islam after a thorough study of its theology, founder, current behavior, teatment of minorities & non Muslims etc.

I respect the Zoroastrian culture & value system, the rights it has managed to give women despite being a religion whose followers live mostly in Iran & India, their work ethics & civilized behavior, although I am agnostic, I see no reason to ditch my allegiance to Zoroastrianism without reason. I like being a member of a religion with so many more positives than negatives.

I believe Aksel Ankersen was also Zoroastrian, a convert to the faith, pity he doesn't visit much(?) nowadays.

[planck]

No zoroastrians.

I am a Zoroastrian, I am born into a half Muslim, half Zoroastrian family. I have chosen Zoroastrianism as my religion & decided to speak up against Islam after a thorough study of its theology, founder, current behavior, teatment of minorities & non Muslims etc.

I respect the Zoroastrian culture & value system, the rights it has managed to give women despite being a religion whose followers live mostly in Iran & India, their work ethics & civilized behavior, although I am agnostic, I see no reason to ditch my allegiance to Zoroastrianism without reason. I like being a member of a religion with so many more positives than negatives.

I believe Aksel Ankersen was also Zoroastrian, a convert to the faith, pity he doesn't visit much(?) nowadays.

That's fantastic. I'm glad that you're a member. I think the same way you do. I was raised catholic and since I don't see bishops telling parishioners to strap bombs and kill the presbyterians---i'll stick around. Although, if all this sex abuse and perversion continues to spread---I may join you in being a zoroastrian and start celebrating noruz.

[Rashna]

That's fantastic. I'm glad that you're a member. I think the same way you do. I was raised catholic and since I don't see bishops telling parishioners to strap bombs and kill the presbyterians---i'll stick around. Although, if all this sex abuse and perversion continues to spread---I may join you in being a zoroastrian and start celebrating noruz.

Oh I like the Catholic faith, despite the sex abuse scandals, Catholics have some fantastic schools-I've seen Muslim kids desperate to get into Catholic schools in India, Bangladesh & Senegal. You have a nice faith, best to stick to it.

The irreligious & discontented are often prone to be sucked into any unpleasant cult-Islam being the primary cult. Also, they seem least likely to defend the good of their culture & civilization. As a Zoroastrian, I can easily see the great difference in the Zoroastrian treatment of women v. Islam's treatment of women(bear in mind most Zoros are Indians & Iranians, not even Westerners), their work ethic & non violence, at least currently.

If I were irreligious, I might be stupid enough to marry a Muslim man 10 years down the line & dump my nice, peaceful, egalitarian religion for Islam as well as raise my kids Muslim because I think "All religions are equally baloney." & wake up too late.

Although there're many fantastic atheists who're equally able to distinguish between good & bad faiths & cultures too.

[Wootah]

In Australia we seem to have a paedophile problem in our secular schools as well as in our Catholic schools. The kids can't seem to win. (I fully support prosecuting those in the Catholic church and those covering it up.)

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... ame_mercy/

[planck]

In Australia we seem to have a paedophile problem in our secular schools as well as in our Catholic schools. The kids can't seem to win. (I fully support prosecuting those in the Catholic church and those covering it up.)

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... ame_mercy/

It's far worse for the priests. Not that having your childhood raped from you is better in either case. But the priest is supposedly a man of god and is supposed to carry himself in a holy manner. A public school teacher, you would hope they would do the right thing......but no ones carrying around the bible and jesus love.

If you can't trust a priest not to "kiddie fiddle," then society is screwed. These priests and the jerks who covered it up deserve the lowest level in Dante's hell. The secular "kiddie fiddlers" can get the 8th level.

[Wootah]

In Australia we seem to have a paedophile problem in our secular schools as well as in our Catholic schools. The kids can't seem to win. (I fully support prosecuting those in the Catholic church and those covering it up.)

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... ame_mercy/

It's far worse for the priests. Not that having your childhood raped from you is better in either case. But the priest is supposedly a man of god and is supposed to carry himself in a holy manner. A public school teacher, you would hope they would do the right thing......but no ones carrying around the bible and jesus love.

If you can't trust a priest not to "kiddie fiddle," then society is screwed. These priests and the jerks who covered it up deserve the lowest level in Dante's hell. The secular "kiddie fiddlers" can get the 8th level.

Institutions need to be vigilant. The truth is that where evil is protected it will hide there.

[Ram]

I am a Zoroastrian, I am born into a half Muslim, half Zoroastrian family. I have chosen Zoroastrianism as my religion & decided to speak up against Islam after a thorough study of its theology, founder, current behavior, teatment of minorities & non Muslims etc.

I respect the Zoroastrian culture & value system, the rights it has managed to give women despite being a religion whose followers live mostly in Iran & India, their work ethics & civilized behavior, although I am agnostic, I see no reason to ditch my allegiance to Zoroastrianism without reason. I like being a member of a religion with so many more positives than negatives.

I believe Aksel Ankersen was also Zoroastrian, a convert to the faith, pity he doesn't visit much(?) nowadays.

That's fantastic. I'm glad that you're a member. I think the same way you do. I was raised catholic and since I don't see bishops telling parishioners to strap bombs and kill the presbyterians---i'll stick around. Although, if all this sex abuse and perversion continues to spread---I may join you in being a zoroastrian and start celebrating noruz.

Zoroastrians (Parsis) are the most progressive community in India. The great Parsi families, Tata and Godrej were pioneers of the Indian industry - steel manufacturing, textile. Tata is multinational corporation. Unfortunately, the population of Parsis is declining due to low birth rate. It would be a tragedy if the Parsi community disappears from India. Sohrab Modi was one of the greatest Indian actors of the old school. Homi Bhabha was the first Nuclear scientist of India. Sadly he was killed in a plane crash. Parsis have made great contribution to India inspite of being in very small numbers, only about 100,000 far more than Muslims. Maneckshaw was a Commander in Chief of the Indian armed forces in the 1970's during the days of Indira Gandhi. Maneckshaw brought Pakistani army to it's knees in Bangladesh war.

[Ram]

Religious affiliation of FFI members

1 ... 6, 7, 8by Ariel » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:06 pm

i dont understand it if athiesm were included as a religion in ariel's post, but i believed its not

Atheism means lack of belief in any religion. It shows how many people do not believe in any religion. So it should be included.

[Rashna]

Zoroastrians (Parsis) are the most progressive community in India. The great Parsi families, Tata and Godrej were pioneers of the Indian industry - steel manufacturing, textile. Tata is multinational corporation. Unfortunately, the population of Parsis is declining due to low birth rate. It would be a tragedy if the Parsi community disappears from India. Sohrab Modi was one of the greatest Indian actors of the old school. Homi Bhabha was the first Nuclear scientist of India. Sadly he was killed in a plane crash. Parsis have made great contribution to India inspite of being in very small numbers, only about 100,000 far more than Muslims. Maneckshaw was a Commander in Chief of the Indian armed forces in the 1970's during the days of Indira Gandhi. Maneckshaw brought Pakistani army to it's knees in Bangladesh war.

Thanks Ram, Zoroastrians are indeed a community to be proud of.

As you correctly said, our population is in steep decline. Being "progressive" is a reason for this, though of course we can't & shouldn't stop being progressive.

Any prosperous, well educated, gender equal & civilized community is prone to steep decline-see the population growth rates of first world nations v third world nations.

The high educational qualifications of Zoros cause late marriages, lack of tribalism means many Zoros marry non Zoros & raise kids non Zoroastrian, high status of women & lack of any son preference means Zoroastrians are happy with 1-2 children of whatever gender,higher education means high knowledge & use of contraceptives- all actually reasons to be extremely proud of, but which decimate our numbers.

I see a similar thing happening with Western populations & the Muslim immigrants in the West, Western populations go down due to their greater education & women's rights, Muslim popualtions increase in Western nations.

Seems its "Survival of the most barbaric & misogynistic."

[IoshkaFutz]

Ciao Rashna,

Seems its "Survival of the most barbaric & misogynistic."

I don't think what you say is entirely true. I mean the topic can't be so easily brushed aside. Much depends on the definition of barbarism, but has it not increased in the UK in the last 20 years despite all the enlightenment baloney?



I can't speak for the Zoros (and all blessings on them) but take for instance, the UK: Higher educational qualifications, lack of tribalism, inter-marriage, high status of women, content with few or no kids, high use of contraceptives - and to that we may add social conscience, save-the-planet do-goodism, downfall of religious superstitions, political correctness, surveillance protection. If your theory is correct all that fancy dan stuff should have sent the UK (and her children) a couple of steps away from "hellhole" towards "shangri-la," instead if the cover of Time Magazine (a couple of years old) is to be believed, the place has some serious civilizational issues.

But maybe Time Magazine had it all wrong. One would have to compare the stats (i.e. crime, binge drinking, pill-popping, fatherless children, etc. etc.) of the latest New Enlightened UK with the old bad and benighted days of yesteryear... There was a time when all Bobbies were unarmed... why have many felt the need to pack hardware? It seems that despite all the push for contraceptives, even teenage pregnancies have stayed high or even risen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/22/inter ... gewanted=2

The overnight Saturday train from London to Aberdeen, a favorite for men on stag nights, was canceled recently because no guards would agree to work on it, The Guardian reported.

"It was like an alcoholic bullet flying through the night," one guard told the newspaper. "The buffet car was a cesspool. They were climbing into the berths with Christ knows who. It was madness. They'd pull the emergency cord. They'd vomit. Break guitars over each other's heads. You can't be having that on a nice train."

Probably exaggerated and that too is an old article, but trains needing to be suppressed on account of binge drinking doesn't strike me as the ultra-civilized UK we were told about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/ ... emigration

Record numbers leave the country for life abroad

· 400,000 left UK in 2006, including 207,000 Britons
· 591,000 arrive, more from south Asia than EU states

Just for the weather?

Anyhow, I don't think Islamic style mysogeny and barbarism are required to have some family values. There are other barbarians at work... and they are extremely enlightened.

[Rashna]

Ciaoioshkafutz,

As you said, much depends on the definition of "barbarism" & to me some of the worst barbarisms are those committed in many Islamic nations & some other nations. I think some of the worst barbarisms are stuff like FGM, honor crimes, witch killings, other pathetic discriminations against women etc.

I am not very knowledgable about Britain, but speaking of Zoros, we don't have a problem of fatherless children or alcoholism either. The Zoroastrian faith provides a very good framework for leading a decent, civilized life. We have very good family values as well. Our family life would be more conservative than the Westerners, because we're not Westerners. Maybe we're similar to the contemporary Japanese.

So do plenty of other faiths, although all religions, like all social systems have their warts.I have nothing against all religions, if you think I'm a religionophobe, thats not true.

Anyhow, I don't think Islamic style mysogeny and barbarism are required to have some family values. There are other barbarians at work... and they are extremely enlightened.

Very true, Western Christianity, much of Judaism, Zoros, Bahais & plenty of other faiths are quite enlightened.

[Qutuzistan]

I practice the religion of qutuz the great. Which is steppeism.

[Chewchy]

Voted - Atheist here so now I guess we are the majority

[fangkenstein]

Hi just adding my 2 cents here former catholic , now atheist. I truley believe all religions are a lie to control the masses, But being a woman , islam scares me the most.

[StrongLove]

Agnostic. I have had many profound personal spiritual experiences. I'll read almost any religious text. I've read hundreds. If it seems to resemble my personal spiritual experiences it seems likely to be true. Serene, loving & kind is the God I know.

[InfidelKSA]

I would like to vote, but I don't feel that my personal affiliation of "None" is accurately represented by either "Atheist" or "Other" which are the only two options for me that are close.

I have no affiliations. I am simply me.