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Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:55 am
by zimtor
Islam dying out in Russia

This is probably the best news I've heard all year.

Paralleling the Europe-is-doomed-to-Islamization wailings which have become an odd fetish of the right in North America, we also often hear that Russia is heading for a similar fate based on its low ethnic-Russian birthrate and the higher birthrate of its Muslims -- who, after all, already make up about 15% of Russia's total population, compared with less than 4% of that of the EU.

I never believed this would really happen in Russia any more than in western Europe, mainly because Russia is culturally tougher, more ruthless, and less infected with political correctness than western Europe is, and the Russians would simply never allow the Muslims to dominate Russia, no matter how brutal the actions they had to take in order to prevent it.

But it turns out that there's another factor at work. According to an authoritative survey carried out by Russia's leading polling agency VTsIOM and the newspaper Izvestiya, the actual number of people who self-identify as Muslims is only 6% of Russia's population, not 15%.

The 15% figure usually given is arrived at simply by adding up all the ethnic groups in Russia -- Tatars, Bashkirs, Chechens, etc. -- which are historically Muslim. But today, evidently, the majority of members of those groups no longer self-identify as Muslim.

What this means is that over the course of the last century or so, the majority of the people of Muslim origin in Russia must have abandoned their Islamic belief to the extent that they no longer even call themselves Muslim
in a survey -- and in any culture, self-identification is usually the last aspect of a religion to disappear (as one can see from cases such as western Europe, where surveys often show large numbers of people self-identifying as "Christian" or "Catholic" or "Protestant" even though more detailed study shows that many of them do not actually practice their claimed religion or even believe in God).

Especially in a culture where apostasy is as taboo as it is in Islam, the ability to acknowledge "I am not a Muslim" is the last step, not the first. So it seems very likely that even many of the remaining 6% have little that is deeply Muslim about them, much like those native Europeans who still claim the name "Christian" even after abandoning the substance.

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:15 pm
by brainwashed
Good article, very strong arguments, nice news for us.

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:55 pm
by IrreligiousTheist
This is great news. Thanks for sharing with us. Could you provide us with some credible sources to support your claim?

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:17 pm
by iandonlyhim
Zimtor wrote:
What this means is that over the course of the last century or so, the majority of the people of Muslim origin in Russia must have abandoned their Islamic belief to the extent that they no longer even call themselves Muslim


Something is not right here because if you are taking about the course of last century then in 1990 USSR got divided and there was no "Russia" before that. When USSR was divided most of the countries that seperated were muslims except Ukraine and them in eastern europe. So is the decreasing number you are talking about due to the division of Russia?

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:17 pm
by Cassie

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
by Centaur

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:38 pm
by joseph
zimtor wrote:
Islam dying out in Russia

This is probably the best news I've heard all year.



Oh really?

Is that official ?

Zimtor just loves delusions.

But we will allow him to keep dreaming.

:)

In the mean time, here is another article about Russia:

"Islam in Russia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

Watch out.

The Russian bear is fast becoming muslim.

:)

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:07 pm
by zimtor
joseph wrote:
zimtor wrote:
Islam dying out in Russia

This is probably the best news I've heard all year.



Oh really?

Is that official ?

Zimtor just loves delusions.

But we will allow him to keep dreaming.

:)

In the mean time, here is another article about Russia:

"Islam in Russia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

Watch out.

The Russian bear is fast becoming muslim.

:)



No one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy, if you wear a wig to hide
the scars and learn to control your slobbering
.

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:37 pm
by brooqdes
God save the people of Aleppo of aggression

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:25 pm
by sum
Hello brooqdes

Do you think that god should save the Christians in Aleppo from muslim aggression?

sum

Re: Islam dying out in Russia

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:53 pm
by Fernando
brooqdes wrote:God save the people of Aleppo of aggression
And, indeed, the people of Yemen. Regardless of whether Islam did indeed die out in Russia since this thread was last active.