terrific post from eSHaHeEN and they are so good to read in FFI
this is my first entry here. First I'd like to introduce myself. Im not openly non-muslim, nor do I share anti-muslim sentiment. Actually I still feel somehow connected to the culture and to Islamic thinking in a spiritual way. And I do believe in god.
I guess you would like word it as I am openly Muslim but I question Islam and some Muslims in Closet.. lol.. But when you say culture, I don't think Islamic culture is uniform across the globe and I believe the culture very much influenced by the non-Islamic traditions that were there before Islam came dear eSHaHeEN
Now you got to explain me a bit better on that word "Islamic thinking in a spiritual way"., tell me what is it how different is that if you compare it with spiritual way way of other religions either monotheistic or polytheistic /animistic religions or religions such as Buddhism from subcontinent that were there before the birth of Islam.
So somehow I still regard myself as muslim but not in the orthodox way as I consider other religions as legitimate alternative ways to god and atheism is fine for me too.
you know what you are saying there? You are saying this " As long as religion don't interfere with my personal spiritual ways to my humanistic values , every religion is O.K with me.."
I dont consider the Quran as gods word, but indeed as a spiritually inspired work and Muhammad is a historic figure/7th century Arab conqueror to me who had a spiritual side too. I know that with that definition of my belief most orthodox muslims would already consider me a kuffar, but its my personal approach to that belief and I dont care about what others say. Enough said - now what has changed.
Well that doesn't work like that dear eSHaHeEN., they care what you say and if you don't listen to them and tell them that "Muhammad is a historic figure/7th century Arab conqueror to me who had a spiritual side too."
., some may not care but some will certainly beat you up,
Now you got to tell me a bit more here., that is " the SPIRITUAL SIDE of Prophet of Islam",
Please write concisely 60 years of life of Prophet of Islam and point out to me the spiritual side that has +ve impact on humanity in this times as well as in his times.
got less aggressive, more tolerant/open to new influences, socially more integrated as I live in a western country, open to personal progress in a spiritual/professional and social sense due to more questioning/self-criticism (before I felt somehow stuck like in a pot of warm chocolate - its delicious but you suffocate in there), got more freedom of action and thinking, more fun. Intellectually free to think what I want. No constant remorse anymore. More honesty/more integrity.
frankly speaking if you were Mosques going 5 time praying Quran reading man., you are NOT supposed to do the above stuff which indeed is antagonistic to basic Islamic preachings
started drinking alcohol and smoking weed (one thing you cant deny is that islamic countries DO have low rates of alcoholism), got depressive , more worrisome as before as everything was so simple and structured then.
That is true., but you have to realize that if you are rich and filthy, you can get away with all those things in Islamic countries also. And in Western countries you don't need to do that. You just went in to that mode because of certain personal problem or hide your frustration on one thing or other..
Its a strong relief if you believe in a higher being protecting you as you dont have to worry about your significance in life resp. the sense of life all the time. In that sense less self-conscious. more self-critical.
well that is true for not only to Islam but every religion, including to Humanism and even to some extent to Atheism.
I still hang out with my muslim friends and enjoy the warm feeling of community there. I feel that Islam has somehow developed a stronger form of brother-/sisterhood - a comfortable social nest warmth - than other religions.
what is the big deal about it?? I heavily criticize Islam on web and some times on dinner table., And the best person who used to dearly love me (that was my aunt) used to feed me right from the baby days was very strong believer of Allah.. She used to leave her wonderful rich life and sleep on a mat some times without food in some Muslims saint tombs.. that weeks at a time.
I mean in church you find individuals doing prayer under one roof and afterwards everyone seperates.
Frankly speaking that is better than what Muslim to do in & around the Mosques. Unlike Christians, these Islamic experts in Mosques play Politics within Islamic society and with others, after that crowd listening to a brainless Mullah/Imam ...
In the mosque theres a real community. They call each other brother or sister. And I regard them my brothers and sisters nontheless.
well initially it looks good (as long as you are 12 or 13 year old) but creepiness seeps in to life., Sorry to say this to you but it is stupid to call every one brother and sister
.. Just be friendly.. that is good eneough
However I believe that the traditional form of Islam suffocates every progress, offers no options for the future and therefore we ve got to develop new concepts and open new path for our religion and society.
Good point., how do we do that and what do you think about Mr. Ghamidi's Islam., please read this thread " Is it possible to reform islam?
and watch the videos.. at viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7782
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with best wishes