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Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:13 pm
by pr126
Leaving Islam

It took the fellow 16 years to realise. Better late than never.

The media and politicians would not touch this with a bargepole.

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:53 pm
by M85
I saw this one, and he is very thorough going through his reasons. He is going to be creating a series of videos going through different subjects. His newest video is out - I have not watched this one yet, but will later tonight.

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:48 pm
by Hombre
Most interesting here is, this guy speaks fluent Arabic. He reads the Hadith (and Quran) the "proper way", He quotes from Muslims own official sources. No doubt about his credibility.

This IS one of the best educational and eye opening video there is out there. No doubt his video will go viral,
Thanks for both of you for sharing.

Dear SAMi let me introduce you to your new teacher. Watch his videos and tell me what is wrong with his thesis.

his youtube channel is "converted2Islam"

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:26 pm
by M85
Yes indeed Hombre, it does seem like the guy from this video is drawing a lot of attention. I'm also impressed with him.

He just posted another video.

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:47 pm
by M85
More Islamic Death Threats

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:31 am
by HamzaF
In my opinion, I give more credence to people who take the longest to leave Islam. It shows genuine struggle and sincerity.

There's a lot of humility, modesty, and unity in Islam which is addictive and commendable to seek, but it's downfall is the hatred of the disbeliever. A lot of muslims will devote themselves to their own perfect version of the faith in the hopes that it can become a reality and overwhelm the world with peace. But it comes crashing down eventually once they finally internalize the polemic parts of the Qur'an (instead of re-interpreting with their own sublime ideals).

Edit - Otherwise, good informational videos. It's a shame he converted to Christianity though. The most convincing and powerful ex-muslims are the ones that embrace agnosticism. That's when Ali Sina was at his peak, in my opinion. Absolutely zero agenda.

Re: Leaving Islam

PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:17 am
by manfred
Hi, it does take a long time to leave Islam, because it is a huge struggle. It is not only about Mohammed, his life and his teachings, it is also about a complete re-write of one's own identity. In addition, it means people who previously were your friends and family may well react to you very differently. Your whole life changes.

And there is also another aspect of it... it may sound strange, but while you can leave Islam, not all of Islam will also leave you. Some aspects of Islam have a habit of lingering around.

Many ex-Muslims will not exactly eat halal, but would not buy things with pork in it, for example. Some may have the occasional wine or beer, but most will not, at least not for a long time. Most will retain their aversion to dogs, too. Also many retain the Islamic strict fundamentalist approach in assessing religions.

So where to people go after Islam? Some, quite a few, will feel an urgent need for a new "identity" of the kind Islam gave. These will often seek out other formal religions, most commonly Christianity. That is also a difficult journey, as Christianity really is very different from Islam. Also, needing some "belonging" is a bad reason to become a member of any religion.

Others simply decide for themselves what they want to believe. This is a good start, better than a blind leap into another religion, although some will eventually also join one religion or another, but they will do it for better reasons.

Then there is also another group, those who are angry realising that they have been duped by Islam, and they conclude that all religions are frauds and any religious leader is a crook. This is an understandable reaction, but not a rational one. If one car dealer sold you a lemon, it does not mean all car dealers are crooks. It is a bad choice to spend your life angry with regrets.

The agnostic position is not per se a more honest one than any other. I am not an agnostic, and if pushed I explain my religious beliefs, but I would not go out of my way trying to convince others of them. Each person has to believe what he or she can believe and not what others tell them to.

With all the problems and heart-ache that leaving Islam brings, there is one thing nobody should try to mess with: your absolute right to assess your own personal beliefs. An ex-Muslim worked harder for that than most others, and they surely are entitled to discover and explore the freedom they have fought for.