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Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:26 pm
by expozIslam
Moderator
can this thread be sticky so that our young apostates can learn from the experiences of others.

Folks,
Please provide your experiences and advice for young people who see the reason and decide to apostate from islam.
You may also explain the reasons for giving the advice.
Advice may be given on following issues :
a) how to overcome guilt factor?
b) how to ensure safety online and offline?
c) how to overcome the feeling of having to loose your loved ones?

Any other suggestions are welcome.

Re: Advice for young apostates

PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:31 pm
by charleslemartel
It is a great idea and I second the request that it should be made sticky after some good advices have been posted in it. I think we should post the exchanges of Ali Sina with apostates who asked for advice and/or help.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:28 pm
by sunshine
I would like to give some suggestions regarding online security to our apostates.

If you feel your IP could be logged or somebody is monitoring your activities over the net (which is a bitter reality in most islamic countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.) than i have this to say:

1) Use a proxy server to access and browse this site. you can do it by using a software called "Hide IP Platinum". download it from http://www.hide-ip-soft.com/download/. its a bit expensive though ( :whisper: YOU CAN FIND A FREE AND CRACKED VERSION OF IT IN TORRENT SITES , please dont sue me for saying that :D)



2) Or if you dont want to buy it then you can also use a free software called "The Onion Router" (TOR).
It is an open source software that provides excellent performance and cover from any kind of surveillance.

TOR can be downloaded free of charge from this site:

http://www.torproject.com

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:54 pm
by PenandInk
My adivice is don’t join forums because they will track you down from your IP and revert you.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:20 pm
by Trojan
If you are an ex-musalmah, burn the hijab and let your hair down. Feel the wind in your hair and consider yourself a butterfly breaking free from the crysilis of oppression.
There is nothing worse then subjucation of female muslims to the veil in order to tame the male ones. Maybe Islam should have imposed blinders for Muslim males instead.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:25 pm
by expozIslam
Trojan wrote:If you are an ex-musalmah, burn the hijab and let your hair down. Feel the wind in your hair and consider yourself a butterfly breaking free from the crysilis of oppression.
There is nothing worse then subjucation of female muslims to the veil in order to tame the male ones. Maybe Islam should have imposed blinders for Muslim males instead.

yeah. One day they will burn the hijab and next day there will be a news about honor killing. So, no don't do it until you are on your own and can take care of yourself and have a good friend circle to take care of you.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:36 am
by káty_gg
Hi Yall

The only piece of advice I can give to any freshy is just to pace yourself and don't bite off more that you can chew. All of us apostates have to remember that we may feel alot of guilt because we have spent the majority and the most import part of our lives molded to think in a particular way. When we decide to make a concious decidion not to follow that way (I can't speak for everyone) but I definantly felt like I was a 'fish out of water'. There are things which are etched into our personality due to our upbringing that cannot be dropped overnight. What I have done to combat this is I keep a diary and remind myself why I have come to this decidion and it does so much good.

When I commited apostacy I wasn't exactly very tactful about it (I'm awful at keeping secrets :tongueout:) and I found myself in a position where I had to explain myself (I was going to marry a non-muslim legaly, with no religous ties). Least to say my family wasn't exactly happy about it and for about 1 year I was put through rigourous mental tourture. I was put on the spot constantly and they had all these scholars come in and try to revert me, sheiks using their scare tactiks, extended family members using emotional blackmail to try and "get me back".

I have to say that despite all that, I have never felt so happy in my life. I feel like the truth did in fact set me free. The way my family has reacted is dissapointing but you have to remember that you can't make them think in a particular way, in the same way they can't do that to you. If they is how they are...then so be it. It's hard and it's sad but it is unfortunante reality.

As with the safety - i guess it really depends on where you live. Obviously if you're in a sharia country...just keep quiet for a little bit (unless you have the guts that is). As for me I really don't care and carry on as normal. They way I figure it if they do find me and 'get me' then they are just proving again how bloody retarted they can be.

peace :rock: whoooo

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:44 am
by expozIslam
I think it is not safe to write this kind of stuff in a personal dairy because it increases your chances of geting caught and it can be very dangerous for some people. I never expected parents to kill their children(and in some islamic countries, parents cannot be prosecuted for killing their children) and clearly I have been proven wrong with so many honor killings going on among muslims over trivial issues.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:40 am
by káty_gg
I think it is not safe to write this kind of stuff in a personal dairy because it increases your chances of geting caught and it can be very dangerous for some people.


Yeah, you have a good point. Some parents are bloody crazy :prop: You never know what to expect. It's unfortunate because I found it to be really therapudic and I thought others would too.

You also just reminded me of what happened when my parents found my diary - they took pictures of some pages and gave them to this guy who calls himself a scholar so then he could read it and have time to come up with an argument to refute my claims. Funnily enough I never heard from him again hahahaha

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:09 pm
by yeezevee
they took pictures of some pages and gave them to this guy who calls himself a scholar so then he could read it and have time to come up with an argument to refute my claims. Funnily enough I never heard from him again hahahaha
káty_gg mygoodness what a post I read from you. YOU MEAN THAT GUY RAN AWAY?? never spoke to you after looking at those pages?? Did he meet you?? Do you know him by name??

Well It is fun to read you dear káty_gg., Pease take care. Financial Independence is THE FIRST STEP that every person must take, if he/she wants to question Islam from with-in Islam. Anyways, were you reading ffi board or on the board before dear káty_gg ? or is it first time?? welcome to FFI

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:52 am
by káty_gg
Hey yeezevee,

I had met that guy before, my parents inflicted me with his presence many times unfortunatly. I just never heard from him since my parents showed him the pages hahaha I do know him by name but I'm not going to mention it.

I used to be on here with a different name - it was 'amany_gg'...but someone hacked into my account and changed my password!!! BAHHHHH :x

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:50 pm
by yeezevee
Hey yeezevee,

I had met that guy before, my parents inflicted me with his presence many times unfortunatly. I just never heard from him since my parents showed him the pages hahaha I do know him by name but I'm not going to mention it.
You may have SCARED THE HELL OUT OF THAT guy., But.. but dear káty_gg., don't hurt your parents too much on this religious stuff UNLESS IT IS INVADING your personal life. other wise just laugh at those religious things that parents try to teach children. Try to be ON THEIR GOOD SIDE as much as possible, You need to be financially, socially, politically, Psychologically VERY STRONG and independent to go against the system that is coming for geneartion in the family. Getting hurt is NOT worth

Also .. also.. PASSWORD PROTECTION to computers is vital....

with best wishes
yeezevee

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:01 am
by káty_gg
yeezevee said: You may have SCARED THE HELL OUT OF THAT guy.,



Haha, I wish - i think he just thought I was done for. Apparently he brings me up in his lectures as ' the mind tricks that the devil can do to you'


But.. but dear káty_gg., don't hurt your parents too much on this religious stuff UNLESS IT IS INVADING your personal life.


Unfortunatly they think it's a sin to be in my life - that lecturer guy is telling them that if they are in my life then it is a sin. I've tried to talk to them but it's always hard - that guy has got too much influence over them!! grrrr :x

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:27 pm
by 0x29a
First of all, the word young does not need to be here. Adult apostates might need the advice as well. As a matter of fact, when you're an adult its more likely that you'll discover the truths.

a) how to overcome guilt factor?


The Guilt that religion and islam has forced upon us is huge. You're sacrificing eternal heaven and facing eternal punishment. But just thinking of that for a second lets us realize how false the god of punishment is.

Just having a guilt to think more about anything is obviously wrong. Just ask why not, why can't you think? the answer is so simple. Because if you think, you'll learn something you shouldn't know. Or should you? This is the deciding factor, do you wanna know the truth? if you do, you have to disobey god. And remember that god is supposedly a loving god. so if the truth that you shall learn leads you back to god. He ( a male god with a penis requires a female god with a vagine.. People long time ago could not even imagine a sexless god... anyway ) will welcome you with much love and you'll be so sure, whats better than that?

If on the other hand what you learned turns you confident that this god is fiction or false then what is there to worry about, you don't believe in Zeus anyway and you don't feel guilty about it. I feel the same way about Allah as I feel about Zeus.


b) how to ensure safety online and offline?



If you're on a shared PC. remember to use the private browser modes that are available in most browsers these days. Internet explorer has InPrivate in the tools menu I think. Opera has a "Delete Private Data" in the tools menu. or even setup the settings to wipe off everything when you close the browser. But whiping everything might be suspecious. Its up to you.

Privacy is a basic right of human rights and sadly no privacy laws exist in most islamic countries. and people doesn't respect privacy. Privacy is often talked about as a bad thing or that you'd only need it when you wanna do something bad.

c) how to overcome the feeling of having to loose your loved ones?


Loosing a beloved one is very tough. But remember that it is always their descision, and not yours. They'll try to use that card to get you out of it, you wont be my son anymore for example, but these bonds are way beyong the human brain. Your mom will love you even if you were hitler. Or even Muhammad ( who is worse for that matter lol ). Moms loves their children, thats how life on earth evolved, its not something you can control by thinking about it. Same thing for siblings, Group servival is stronger and they will always love you.

But the other dangerous side of the story is anger. You would much want to avoid angry atmosphere surrounding you. Anger can overcome all these laws, and worst thing that can happen is combining anger with stupidity.

I would only let them know if I'm going on a vecation or staying away for a while, let them cook it in their brain and learn how to live with it. Its the first shocking moment that is dangerous. Once they over come it call them normally and tell them you miss them.

also remember that once you're not a muslim anymore, you're free and know better and if you need to confort them, tell them to pray for you instead of fighting you.. works for me :D lol

And remember that Atheism is about loving life in all sorts, and about peace and equality for all beings ( except those we eat ).. Atheism unites. Religion divides and makes sure ever single human is born with billions of enemies. Your very own existant is offending somebody out there.

Peace and love. and freedom ( if we can wish for that anymore )

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:57 pm
by AYHAN
I have tried many Hide Ip software, none of them work

even used all the torrent ones, and i cant still trace myself from another pc and the ip is coming up 2 :x

Using Vista. :ermm:

also ive used private browser modes, on Firefox and Chrome, and after exiting those modes i still access my history and what ive visited, right know i use clear all data function lol.

Guess we all have to learn Hacking ..lol, like Ghost.NET. our will be. Freedom.NET :roflmao:

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:06 pm
by 0x29a
For online privacy: http://archetwist.com/opera/operator

I used it once and it works almost perfectly. I don't have vista but that shouldn't be a problem.. give it a shot.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:29 pm
by ixolite
This is a sticky selfhelp-topic for apostates. Anyone who has nothing to contribute to the subject and/or has never been a mohammedan has no reason to post here and the posts will be removed and dumped.

M.

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:13 pm
by dewanand
hello friends,

I also left islam some twenty years ago. NOw I have converted to hinduism and I am much happier.

my advice.
Islam makes your mind sick and empty. So, if you leave islam then you will have to refill your mind and develop a new spirit. The best way to do it is to read some of the best Hindu holy books, and make hindu friends. Try these books:
Bhagavad Gita
Vedas
Puranas
Mahabharata
and more simple one of Linda Johnson, my intellectual superior's guide to Hinduism.

Work hard to refill your mind and convert to Hinduism, in a slow and steady way.
All ancestors of the present day muslims were Hindus, and this means you all must return to your roots.

succes, mail me if you have some questions, see my profile.

dewanand
hindu writer
delft the Netherlands

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:08 pm
by yeezevee
welcome to FFI Mr. dewanand., so you want to attack dr. wendy doniger

I want to attack wendy doniger, but I need her address and email. can you find it for me.

I ask you why?? what did she do??

Image

click her to get details..

yeezevee

Re: Advice for young apostates : Please contribute

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:45 am
by fusedbird
yeezevee wrote:
. Financial Independence is THE FIRST STEP that every person must take, if he/she wants to question Islam from with-in Islam. Anyways, were you reading ffi board or on the board before dear káty_gg ? or is it first time?? welcome to FFI

with best wishes
yeezevee



That is what I am working on Financial Independence. I have a form of handicapped and it makes it hard to get a job with insurance willing to pay for my doctors. I am going to school and working on getting a better more free life, but the whole double life thing is harder than it seems.

My dad is not a strict muslim and I have a feeling he feels the same way I do about islam but has been living a lie way longer than I have and is proably more scared than I am. However how do I open up to him without revealing myself in the process? The rest of his family is strict and crazy.