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the dilemma of the flying aunt

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:19 pm
by manfred
... by Salmon Rushdie


Re: the dilemma of the flying aunt

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:42 pm
by manfred
While his example really are quite hilarious, it highlights something quite important about the Islamic concept of "honour".

The main "threat" to invariably male "honour" is the female. In extreme cases, we see that enacted in "honour killings". The effect of Islamic "honour" is an objectification and scapegoating of women.

Re: the dilemma of the flying aunt

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:35 pm
by Fernando
I think there are a couple of omissions there. Firstly, the lack of original sin doesn't mean there is an absence of ordinary sin - Muslims are obsessed by it. As for "honour", I'd have thought tribalism, more than anything, was behind it.
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Re: the dilemma of the flying aunt

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:18 pm
by manfred
Yes, Muslims do have a concept of sin, but it is quite different from what we would normally associate with that word. Even a Western secular person may occasionally use that term in a similar way as a Jew or Christian may, but definitely not like a Muslim would.

A sin is an deliberate action which the perpetrator carries out in the clear understanding that it is against his own moral code. That would be the "common ground" definition for all but Muslims.

To a Muslim there is no moral code that applies to him in his treatments of ALL people. He must treat Muslims one way, non-Muslims another. And most importantly a sin is not an action against Islamic moral code, it is a KNOWN ACTION against it.

A man who has sex with an animal should have a bath and carry on with his prayers. However, is he has been observed or his act is ADMITTED, he should be put to death.

In other word, there is no "sin and guilt" scenario in Islam, the is an "honour and shame" scenario. A "sin" becomes only something to be punished/ to be made restitution when it becomes public.

Remember the tale of the pregnant woman confession adultery to Mohammed? Mohammed "turned his head" repeatedly so as to tell her NOT no tell him. When she did anyway, she did not find the expected forgiveness, but instead what told to carry her baby until birth, and she should be stoned to death. She was under the false impression that sin can be forgiven in Islam by penance and confession. In fact her confession caused her death.