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Postby Love » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:42 am

Hi everyone,

I was born a Muslim but have left Islam some years ago. I am still quite young. I have gone to the raging apostate phase to being a defender of Islam on anti-Islamic boards (even when I was a non-Muslim at heart). Emotions sparked form the decision to leave the endeared religion, swayed me left and right, until the pendulem of my worldview stablized. And now I think I have reached that moment.

I believe in love, that's why I have chose it as my username. I believe in one world. One world as in one government, no borders, no nationalities, but different colors and cultures.

I do not believe in big conspiracies, and have come to known that they are designed by manipulators of public opinon to serve theri nefarious interests. Whether it is Zionists controlling the world, or Islam taking over the same, are cut from the same rag. The bigger the "truth," the more doubtful it is. Truth comes in small quanities.

By definition of my worldview then, I oppose the basic idea of this site.

However, I hope that my journey over here will be productive and fruitful for me as well as for some others.
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Re: Hi there

Postby Lyzandra Daria » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:09 am

Welcome, Love.

Enjoy the site. You are young, so you say, and have a lot to learn yet about 'truth'. I strongly urge you not to accept everything you read or hear as the 'truth'.

What my mother learned as the 'truth' in her youth and what I learned as the 'truth' in my youth have been proved not to be so 'true'. Just keep searching...and learning that 'truth' is not as permanent as once thought. What might be more important than truth is understanding. Your truth, based on your experiences, might not be the same as mine. However, IMO, if we try to understand each other some 'truth' might be realized.

Again, welcome.
Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition... Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)

superstition: a belief or practice irrationally maintained by ignorance or faith in magic or chance

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Postby enceladus » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:31 am

Welcome, Love. It is good to have you here!

I'll take the opportunity to apologise here for the hard time that I gave you in the thread about Afghanistan. I've taken the time to greatly edit my comments at the end of that thread to be much less, er, "acidic". ( I was just getting very frustrated that almost all your negative comments were aimed at Nato/ISAF - very few at the Taliban, and very little credit was given for the good stuff that is happening there. ).

Anyway, I just wanted to say sorry ......

In the meantime, I'm interested in your comment that "truth comes in small quantities". That is interesting.

Insofar as your reluctance to agree in "conspiracy theories" goes, I agree that in the vast majority of cases, conspiracy theories are not true. However, I would also say that Islam is not the "vast majority of cases".

When I see polls of Muslims in the UK which say that a sizeable number of them (around 30% or more) would like to see sharia law in the UK, then that is of concern to me (and I'm sure, many others).

I am sure you would agree that those Muslims who want sharia do not have to be a majority in a country to still be dangerous.

What I'm saying is that size does not define truth or non-truth. Such a thing can only be defined by *evidence*.

Given the atrocities that Islam has mounted since Sep 11 -
documented very well here - http://thereligionofpeace.com/ ) -
- I would say that there is ample evidence to show that Islam is a very negative influence on the world.

That is why this site exists - to debate and debunk Islam. That seems (to me) to be a positive thing.
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Undermining Islam -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15110

Refuting "divine Quran" -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=11329

Refuting a Quran verse -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13098
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Re: Hi there

Postby sum » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:16 am

Hello larryp7639

Your quote -
Would a newcomer be warmly welcome here?

You are most certainly warmly welcomed. Please give us your views on matters that are raised - the more views the better.

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Postby enceladus » Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:46 am

larryp7639 wrote:Hi, I am a new member of forum. Would a newcomer be warmly welcome here? Good day you guys!!!


Welcome!
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Undermining Islam -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15110

Refuting "divine Quran" -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=11329

Refuting a Quran verse -
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=13098
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Re: Hi there

Postby Love » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:29 am

Lyzandra Daria wrote:Welcome, Love.

Enjoy the site. You are young, so you say, and have a lot to learn yet about 'truth'. I strongly urge you not to accept everything you read or hear as the 'truth'.

What my mother learned as the 'truth' in her youth and what I learned as the 'truth' in my youth have been proved not to be so 'true'. Just keep searching...and learning that 'truth' is not as permanent as once thought. What might be more important than truth is understanding. Your truth, based on your experiences, might not be the same as mine. However, IMO, if we try to understand each other some 'truth' might be realized.

Again, welcome.


Thanks Lyzandra for your kind reply. I basically agree with what you say.
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Re: Hi there

Postby expozIslam » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:37 am

Love wrote:Hi everyone,

I was born a Muslim but have left Islam some years ago.

You were born a human among humans who believed in islam but very courageous of you to leave it.
Love wrote: I am still quite young.

Even better.
Love wrote:I have gone to the raging apostate phase to being a defender of Islam on anti-Islamic boards (even when I was a non-Muslim at heart).

Why would you want to to depend a faith which mandates death penalty for you if you are male or isolation till death if you are female for just not believing in that faith?
Love wrote:Emotions sparked form the decision to leave the endeared religion, swayed me left and right, until the pendulem of my worldview stablized.

That is pretty common in formative years and that is why it is important to read a lot and form your own opinion.
Love wrote:And now I think I have reached that moment.

I believe in love, that's why I have chose it as my username. I believe in one world. One world as in one government, no borders, no nationalities, but different colors and cultures.

Borders can become irrelevent not by ideologies like Communism and Islam but by economic integration as has happened in European Union. You cannot subjugate world into universal brotherhood as Islam mandates.
Love wrote:I do not believe in big conspiracies, and have come to known that they are designed by manipulators of public opinon to serve theri nefarious interests.

Not always true.
Love wrote: Whether it is Zionists controlling the world, or Islam taking over the same, are cut from the same rag.

The bigger the "truth," the more doubtful it is. Truth comes in small quanities.

Not always. There are not 56 islamic countries and if you take a look at these countries, all the local culture has or is being destroyed. Muslim populations are rising in non-muslim countries and they are demanding Sharia to be imposed and it is not fiction, it is reality that we have to see everyday.
The number of muslims killed by muslims in Iraq and Afganistan far outweighs the number of muslims killed during strikes by American and NATO forces and yet we don't see muslims protesting. Just the other day, Turkey bombed Kurdish people in Northern Iraq and you don't see a single muslim protesting the killing of these people. Why not?
Love wrote:By definition of my worldview then, I oppose the basic idea of this site.

The basic idea of this site is that Islam should be de destroyed by revealing the truth about islam and why would you want to oppose that?
Love wrote:However, I hope that my journey over here will be productive and fruitful for me as well as for some others.

I certainly hope it would be and a warm welcome to FFI.
“The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.”
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Re: Hi there

Postby Ansar al-Zindiqi » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:05 am

Love wrote:Hi everyone,

I was born a Muslim but have left Islam some years ago. I am still quite young. I have gone to the raging apostate phase to being a defender of Islam on anti-Islamic boards (even when I was a non-Muslim at heart). Emotions sparked form the decision to leave the endeared religion, swayed me left and right, until the pendulem of my worldview stablized. And now I think I have reached that moment.


Now that you've reached "that moment" it's time for you to really think about a quote that Ali Sina furnished:


I hope for peace. But I question how peace is possible with this much hate? Let us not hide our heads under the sand. We Muslims have a lot of soul searching to do. For how long shall we live in denial? Something is terribly wrong with us. We are filled with hate. The hatred of the Jews in ingrained in our subconscious and we carry it with ourselves even after we leave Islam. How can we make peace with those whom we hate so intensely?


http://web.archive.org/web/200111300900 ... eedom.org/

Love wrote:I believe in love, that's why I have chose it as my username.


Oh bugger off with that! It's just another misuse of the word "love" and you know it.



Love wrote:I believe in one world. One world as in one government, no borders, no nationalities, but different colors and cultures.


This is glib and superficial as all hell. There already is "one world" that is being seduced into believing Islam is a religion of peace. For the past 1400 years Islam has never been able to deliver on it's promises of overcoming tribalism and tribal hatreds in the Middle East. Heck, just look at how Hamas consolidated absolute power in the Gaza strip. If you really believed in all this tripe about believing in "one world" then start doing some more self-examination to see if you really have left Islam.


Love wrote:I do not believe in big conspiracies, and have come to known that they are designed by manipulators of public opinon to serve theri nefarious interests. Whether it is Zionists controlling the world, or Islam taking over the same, are cut from the same rag. The bigger the "truth," the more doubtful it is. Truth comes in small quanities.


Yet you defend the likes of Finkelstein and Chomsky and their "truths". :wacko:



Love wrote:By definition of my worldview then, I oppose the basic idea of this site.


If you really are an ex-Muslim then there is a rather discredited forum we can recommend for you. :roflmao:



Love wrote:However, I hope that my journey over here will be productive and fruitful for me as well as for some others.


It won't come about as planned. But then again stool pigeons are a dime a dozen.
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Postby Psycho Bunny » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:27 pm

Well said, Ansar.

For some, you can take the Muslim out of Islam but you can't take Islam out of the Muslim.

And Love proves that.

I also remember a certain member here who got very upset when I made a similalr statement.

And now she carries on with a complete ignorance of Judaism, defends any attack upon her "former" religion and - apart from the rather tawdry manner in which she presents herself - she is as fanatical, despotic and vindictive as a devout Islamist.....................
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