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by MesMorial
Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:37 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

SNB and MANFRED have difficulty with a few concepts. They are simple enough that I feel bad reiterating: 1) When discussing what Islam is (according to the source of Islam itself), only the Qur’an is relevant. 2) Saying that only the Qur’an is relevant does not equal upholding it. 3) Inability to de...
by MesMorial
Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:02 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

Basic rationale for my approach (compatible with anyone who shares the priorities described). There is a request at the end: Material goods won’t satisfy you. Whilst food (etc.) feeds your needs, it won’t satisfy you spiritually. The spirit is the intellectual and emotional realm. The aim of life (...
by MesMorial
Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:00 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

SKYNIGHTBLAZE; In that case don't make idiotic arguments like ahadith are hearsay and that is why you reject them but at the same time uphold the quran. Finally, we already know what quran says and we are not impressed at all. I asked you questions regarding quran and you were not able to answer the...
by MesMorial
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:57 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: MM is busted
Replies: 14
Views: 1163

Re: MM is busted

Well, I am not the one who has been found to be somewhat dishonest, and I am amazed that you think you are in any position to teach other people lessons, particularly those who you don't even know. And on spirituality, no less... I prefer my lessons from someone a little more honest, thank you. My ...
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:21 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: MM is busted
Replies: 14
Views: 1163

Re: MM is busted

The writing is a little small, so use full screen... I is quite clear from the clip that he is a kind of confused "quran only" Muslim, a sort of recent convert who then immediately presumed he can lecture others on religion, be it Muslims or non-Muslims. So sum was exactly right in his description....
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:01 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

MANFRED; Well Pat Condell (having thin Qur’anic know-how) has a different definition. He forgets that Islamophobia needs distortion, but focusses on the “vicitimisation” of Islam. My concern is not whether you offend Muslims or what their reactions might be; my concern is what you (and they) get obj...
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:47 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: verses about Sharia law
Replies: 46
Views: 13084

Re: verses about Sharia law

Mesmorial: How did Mohammed "fight in Allahs cause"to expand the religion of Islam,and how,following Quranic guidance and his example, are his followers to do the same? You refuse to answer a basic question,which speaks volumes. I can take it then you don't like the answer,as it highlights exactly ...
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:18 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: verses about Sharia law
Replies: 46
Views: 13084

Re: verses about Sharia law

Hello MesMorial You are being evasive and ignoring what I said. The first few verses are very clear indeed. Fight those who are idolaters and pagans. Koran 9:36 is NOT a qualification of the first few verses but a separate category. If the all wise all knowing Allah thinks that 9:36 qualifies the f...
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:12 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: verses about Sharia law
Replies: 46
Views: 13084

Re: verses about Sharia law

Hello MesMorial Do you accept the following as authentic? From Muhammad, the Messenger of Allâh to Chosroes, king of Persia . Peace be upon him who follows true guidance, believes in Allâh and His Messenger and testifies that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, and that Muhammad is H...
by MesMorial
Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:28 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

MANFRED; It is not possible to be tolerant of those who want to either subdue you or kill you. That is the mistake of the so called liberal politicians in the west. Slaughterhouse operatives like the animals to be "peaceful" and tolerant to the the treatment they receive there too. For you and your ...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:22 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

I do. This is a platitude. You cannot please all at the same time. To please the Palestinians all Jews must die. Jews might not be overjoyed by that. A peaceful world require people to be tolerant of others, and have respect for all others. Muslims are the most intolerant people you can meet. In 16...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:19 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

So let's get out first priority straight: Freedom from dissatisfaction/pain , which practically translates to "a peaceful, balanced world". Anybody going to disagree? If you agree, the Islam issue must be dealt with in context of that. There is my point. So to get a peaceful and balanced world, peop...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:56 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

SKYNIGHTBLAZE; It doesn't matter. As explained to MANFRED, in dealing with Islam, start at the root before losing yourself in that stuff. The root begins in the person who accepts something, not the something. Keep it focussed, keep it simple, and keep it real. The real bit you have to deal with. Un...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:51 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: qur'an only
Replies: 182
Views: 59105

Re: qur'an only

MANFRED; Obviously you have not heard of the idea of a circular argument. You are highlighting a fundamental problem with "Qur'an only": Any argument about the Qur'an itself automatically becomes circular and therefore logically invalid. "The Qur'an is because it says so." Unless we’re talking about...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:31 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: verses about Sharia law
Replies: 46
Views: 13084

Re: verses about Sharia law

SUM; With regard to 9:36, the guidance there is in addition to the guidance at the beginning of chapter 9. At the beginning there is only a demand to fight the unbelievers and idolaters. If there is some treaty still standing with the unbelievers then wait until the treaty expires then attack them. ...
by MesMorial
Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:30 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: Questions for Mesmorial
Replies: 62
Views: 19424

Re: Questions for Mesmorial

It is logical as a deterrent if Harry crucifies Barry. Whether it is done or not is up to the person responsible for deciding punishment. There are times when a range of punishments may be appropriate. All that others need recognise is what should be included in the range. You see, your question for...
by MesMorial
Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:01 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: verses about Sharia law
Replies: 46
Views: 13084

Re: verses about Sharia law

It is quite literal. Just literal in a fairly blatant context. Again, examples... 66:9 says be hard against unbelievers and hypocrites. But obviously not all; you have to look at the subject of the passage and realise that general labels/categories like "unbelievers" refer to the "unbelievers releva...
by MesMorial
Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:50 am
Forum: The Quran and Hadith
Topic: Allah and his other friends.
Replies: 2
Views: 1054

Re: Allah and his other friends.

:ehh: It's talking about the people who invoked other gods. Don't insults their gods lest the people insult Allah. Thus has Allah made each community (of people) fair-pleasing their deeds. Then will Allah inform the people of what they used to do.
by MesMorial
Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:28 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: I am at Sunni forum
Replies: 109
Views: 23215

Re: I am at Sunni forum

Hi Eagle;


Could you please tell me your exact stance on Muhammad's alleged words/actions/Sunna as source of law? It is better to know what we have in common.
Cheers
by MesMorial
Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:08 am
Forum: Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained
Topic: Is this what MesMorial follows and supports?
Replies: 8
Views: 856

Re: Is this what MesMorial follows and supports?

Hello MesMorial You claimed in a previous post - "But I already showed you my doctrine. Minhajism is the philosophy." Now please let us know if you follow Minhaj Al-Muslim. sum EQUESTRIAN says: It is annoying to me when time and again you ignore the very reponse you request. Throughout this thread ...