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by phill01
Tue May 22, 2012 9:58 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Mo's night flight
Replies: 11
Views: 3648

Re: Mo's night flight

Ok...So we have have discovered through "history" that there was no Mosque in Jerusalem in Mohammad's time. This in iteself doesn't mean the Koran is wrong about the "Night Journey" as the Koran never mentioned the name of this "Farthest Mosque" !! which means that it is somewhere else other than Je...
by phill01
Mon May 21, 2012 9:16 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Mo's night flight
Replies: 11
Views: 3648

Re: Mo's night flight

I spent a little time on this and it seems that the mosque at the temple mount was not there for Allah apostle to pray in like it says in the hathid and Quran. This story seems to have been added later. Even the writing on the mosque, that is support to have been built to celebrate this flight, was...
by phill01
Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:40 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: amazing, the ancient bible found in turkey
Replies: 86
Views: 31278

Re: amazing, the ancient bible found in turkey

Sources to back up your facts please, in arabic and english translation of the hadiths, that muhammad (saw) called someone going this far a liar. The source is Halabieh I, page 36 Mohammed confessed that neither he, nor anyone else, knew about his ancestors beyond al-Nather bin Kinaneh. Nather bin ...
by phill01
Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:22 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: amazing, the ancient bible found in turkey
Replies: 86
Views: 31278

Re: amazing, the ancient bible found in turkey

That family tree is 100% bogus because Mohammad himself could only go back so far which If i'm correct was his 17th ancestor which was al-Nather bin Kin aneh. Mohammad himself also said that anyone going back further than that was a liar. So who wrote Mohammads ancestry right back Adam...enter Ibn I...
by phill01
Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:30 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

@phil I don't understand arabic. Let me know if the following makes any sense. Ahmed Bahgat is a muslim on this site and he answered CAT. one must prove that it differs like by showing the -ism- indicating a proper name. So here we face a conjecture stemming out from the wishful desire of the trans...
by phill01
Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:01 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=7Bg8CoRcI3AC&pg=PA1176&lpg=PA1176&dq=makkah+gedolah&source=bl&ots=qD0vF9mG6S&sig=rLan32dTS1TUUsnoDVHgylEc2ik&hl=en#v=onepage&q=makkah%20gedolah&f=false Makkah gedolah: With a great blow (slaughter, wound, plague). Makkah rabbah: Great slaughter, many stripes, plague....
by phill01
Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:04 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

No there is no evidence (about Salman the Persian/Muhammad Maslama), however it could explain the Persian words in the Koran. Salman the Persian (Salman al-Farisi) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_the_Persian" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It is said that he was the first to tran...
by phill01
Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:52 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Hi SNB But from my understanding from “The Cat” is that it hasn’t been translated at all ?. Cat posted several meanings from Arabic sources which gave a few meanings being: 1: Worn down. 2: To insist on something from an adversary. 3: Destruction. Here is an excellent article on the Makkata issue ht...
by phill01
Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:28 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

If agreeing with each other is the key then they agree with the inclusion of word Mecca. Not a single translator skipped the word Mecca in the verse. But from my understanding from “The Cat” is that it hasn’t been translated at all ?. Cat posted several meanings from Arabic sources which gave a few...
by phill01
Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:29 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Phil and anyone who's interested: Gorgias Press, who now owns the copyright to Meccan Trade by Crone, has a constant sale of 10% for those who register. Registration is free. Also, they have several sales during the year, such as during a conference, or Christmas, where the sale is 40%. I did that ...
by phill01
Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:12 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad chose wrong angel
Replies: 22
Views: 6305

Re: Muhammad chose wrong angel

I was reading the Book of Daniel, to see what it said about Gabriel, and it had a lengthy prophesy about various kings attacking other kings etc. When asked when this would take place Gabriel first said "It will be for a time, times and half a time", which Daniel didn't understand, but shortly afte...
by phill01
Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:12 pm
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Anyway here is where I disagree .. These are universally accepted translations of the quran. Now I am as good as a blind when we talk about arabic. Anyway I will show you another problem with this argument. They may be universally accepted but not any of them can get the same translation the same ?...
by phill01
Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:18 pm
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

The arguments that you support are not actually from CAT. They have been borrowed from someone else. Anyway lets focus on the message rather than the messenger. I don't contend against historical research but what I say is historical research will disprove both the quran and the ahadith and not jus...
by phill01
Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:08 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Hello. I was not able to connect to internet for the weekend. Phil, sorry but the only online information about the book is through Amazon.com, and I had to photocopy some pages because I got it through interlibrary loan. Badranya, good stuff on the Indonesian translation. I think it's a great effo...
by phill01
Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:05 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Hi SNB Now I see what you meant . No I don’t subscribe to Islam going back to the time of Abraham. I’m not defending “The Cat”, it’s just that a find some of his hypotheses convincing in light of history, especially around the place called Mecca and that it’s current location is an Abbasid concocti...
by phill01
Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:17 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

I'm blasted! A bunch of people here have acknowledged that their level of understanding is about that of 'iffo'. :whistling: :lol: You're an insane moron that takes yourself way too seriously, that's all. Bye. :lol: Well we could have given him concession if he really was a scholar. You should have...
by phill01
Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:11 pm
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

We're talking about Classical Arabic, that of the Koran, in which dictionaries state that MKK means sucking. 1.-- Al-Qamus Al-Muheet: Used with an opponent to mean others insisting on requests from him 2.-- Lisan Al-Arab:- تمكَّك , TAMAKKAK: Insisted on requests from an opponent 3.-- Al-Ghani: MKK:...
by phill01
Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:56 pm
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

FYI : MUHAMMAD: MITOS ATAU FAKTA SEJARAH http://www.scribd.com/doc/60627804/Muhammad-Mitos-Atau-Fakta-Sejarah" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; an 84 page- ebook (a translation into Indonesian from thread Muhammad: Myth vs. Reality by The Cat) has made a shock to some Muslim readers. T...
by phill01
Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:59 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Very interesting link on the codices. The verse about Mecca may prove to be a 8th century text, or refers to another location. Either way, we only "know" that Mecca is in the place that it is today thanks to the sira and late tafsirs. Some early tafsirs preserved in partial quotations show a differ...
by phill01
Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:47 am
Forum: Muhammad
Topic: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.
Replies: 481
Views: 411239

Re: Muhammad -Myth vs Reality.

Phil, your opencontext site is not working. I was able to view the photos though. This merely confirms what I've been finding: that the Qur'an was written and refers to a northern location, one which was forgotten or abandoned in place of Mecca. Hmmm. It was working last night. It was just an overv...